IRC Conference Transcript:
Carl Sassenrath and Jim Goodnow
This is a trancript (and it's a long one, too) of an IRC session held on Wednesday, 08-May-96. Among the participants were "vog" (Carl Sassenrath, Director of Software for VIScorp) and "AztecC" (Jim Goodnow, Senior Software Engineer, also of VIScorp). Vog and AztecC amazed the IRC regulars (can that really be the appropriate word?) with their mysterious appearance and bountiful, juicy tidbits which only hungered the crowd for more.
Again, be warned: this baby is long!
vog | Good Evening. vog = VIScorp OS Guy. vog | Is there any real topic that anyone wants to discuss? RexxMast | re Karma Montage | Sabbath2: First consider how much LW you do then justify the cost of either Sabbath2 | Montage: Well, probably right, but I don't have much choice. AztecC | re carl! vog | Hey, is that you Jim? Sabbath2 | vog: yes vog | AztecC: Jim? AztecC | vog: yes! vog | AC: what you running, the test A1200? AztecC | vog: nah, mIRC on W95 :( Frotz | vog: who exactly are you? vog | AC: do you think Buck and Gilbreath might be on too? AztecC | vog: would be shocked! AztecC | Frotz: its Mr. Exec ( should be your handle instead of vog ) vog | AC: ;) vog | AC: It's my secret alias. vog | AC: What was your ping time for me? AztecC | vog: 9 secs AztecC | vog: what IRC server are you using? vog | Frotz: what do you mean? vog | AC: not bad. vog | AC: Texas IRC-2 Montage | Sabbath2: No not at all is it a Pro or is it a Pentium meaning which processor is it? vog | AC: What about you? NightSpd | vog: I have one ping (not you) of 9.4 minutes! (Yes the net is SPLIT. AztecC | vog: irc.colorado.edu, couldn't get on texas Holo | no. vog | AC: I tried that, couldn't get it! So how long you been on? Holo | I thought AT was being sold. RMerlin | Hey caldi! Sabbath2 | ALL: whats up with AT? Have they got anything accomplished? NightSpd | Yo caldi! AztecC | vog: 30 min. or so vog | AC: Anyone talking about anything related? RMerlin | Sabbath2: Yes, they restarted production. Montage | Sabbath2: No a bad price but how much mem are you getting egress | holo:yeh being sold but head of AT said that viscrop had hired dave haynie as advisor nINO | aha Sabbath2 | RM: any news concerning PowerAmiga? RMerlin | Sabbath2: None. RMerlin | To lag, or not to lag... vog | Frotz: I've got three or four net accounts. Besides, VC is distributed. Holo | egress: yea. I heard. I hope they get a lot more old Amiga engineers on board! Sabbath2 | montage: 16mems motherboard 2 on video 1gig HD 14" mon 4X CD all for about $2000 UW_Design | Howdy.. vog | AC: My ping to you was 96 secs. zygo | Hi everybody! vog | Holo: me too. egress | holo:you see any light at the end of this tunnel yet :) Holo | hey zygo Sabbath2 | montage: 28.8 voice/data/fax vog | AC: Not sure how to do that CHAT stuff in AmIRC. Montage | Sabbath2: Not a bad price but not a great price either zygo | Hi Holo zygo | Thanks RMerlin :) egress | evening zygo Frotz | vog: cool. so when is there going to be a *US* developer's conference? I find it very disturbing that there is a meeting in France to decide the fate of the machine, and NO meeting here. caldi | Vog/Aztec: I have a question, to whom should developers direct business proposals, demos, etc? AztecC | vog: yikes! serious lag! zygo | Hi egress fleer | re sidewind RMerlin | Frotz: We could organize one? Why not during AC'96 right here in Montreal? :) Tweety_ | easy vog, select the name on the right, then hit Query button and type away... vog | Frotz: Yes... USA is a good idea. I need to talk to Bill about that. vishart | I have arrived.....all rise..... egress | egress sits vog | Hammer: Hello Darren. Holo | kolla dropped in from the sky. Then was gone! kolla | and droped in once more :) vog | Tweety: Thanks. U on AmIRC? caldi | Lord am lagged in to next weeks vacation. vog | Hammer: Not sure... lots of mail. Perhaps. HammerD | vog: will there be any official announcements on the 19th in france? Frotz | rmerlin: us organizing one hasnt got shit to do with the fact that viscorp is only having one, and it's in france. Frotz | vog: the mere lack of any US mention in the announcement has caused several developers to leave for the PC. this is a volatile time for folks to choose their press releases so carelessly. Frotz | caldi: me too. vog | Hammer: I hope so. vog | Frotz: Who said we are only having one? HammerD | vog, perhaps an IRC conference after the 19th would be best...(moderated of course! :) Wizird | Anyone here willing to take up a little logo project to design a nice professional logo for Linux? :) vog | Tweety: What do you mean? Window? RMerlin | Frotz: You must admit that most developpers are in Europe, so sounds logical that the FIRST one be there. Wizird | Frotz? AztecC | Frotz: don't read too much into the wording of that letter from Eric. Lots of room for misinterpretation. kolla | whats up in here nowadays? Frotz | vog: your press release mentioned just that one, and said, and i quote, "this meeting will decide the future of the amiga". kolla | hm.. except from laging .. egress | vog:you a offical viscrop/AT guy vishart | Was there not an Amiga convention in Japan recently ? vog | Hammer: I've asked Bill for an IRC soon. Perhaps live from france. HammerD | vishart: yes. HammerD | vog: cool. desrat | re Frotz | rmerlin: i wouldnt say most. the only notable one I can think of is phase5 anyway. unless you want to start a comparative list and leave out newtek and impulse and so on. desrat | anyone get news succesfully with voyager? sunrise | vog the fact is that YOU didnt say you were having more! HammerD | vog: do you remember any of the exec coding you did?:=) it was long time ago.. :) vishart | who was sponsoring the Japan thing ? RMerlin | Frotz: If you look at stuff hitting Aminet, 80% of the programmers are there. Only 20% of us are in North America these days :( kolla | desrat: hm.. yeah, sort of, but who wants to read use that way? kolla | read news vishart | RMerlin : I am still here...but only for another month.... vog | Hammer: sure... much of it... why? Frotz | aztecc: also known as a piss-poor vague press release. NEVER leave room for misinterpretation. Frotz | rmerlin: aminet has nothing to do with it, we're talking commercial level developers here. RMerlin | vog: Any chance you might get directly involved into AmigaOS development? desrat | kolla:not me..just wondering....everything else works like a charm tho..:) RMerlin | Frotz: AMinet is a sample. It's the same thing with commercial level developpers. HammerD | vog, as rmerlin said...you may get your hands wet again? :=) Holo | AT needs to drop the compatability issue and move the technology another 10 light years ahead. (reminicient of 1985) kolla | desrat: well.. I found at leat one htnl2 tag it doesnt support :/ kolla | html even.. vog | RMerlin: How so? (AmigaOS) desrat | voyager is nice RMerlin | vog: Helping in the PowerPC port, or just improving it. HammerD | vog: is walker cancelled? Tweety_ | Holo Compatibility with ref. to What??? Holo | to existing hardware. TimG | anyone here running excelsior BBS software? sidewind | Howdy zygo desrat | re side vog | Frotz: I agree. Vague. egress | holo:is vog that carl guy that wrote EXEC vog | Hammer: Nothing is canceled. zygo | Howdy sidewind :) HammerD | vog, good news :) Holo | Tweety: would you buy an amiga if it wasn't compatable with your existing hardware or software? desrat | mr sas? Tweety_ | Holo: you mean Intel Boxes? Holo | egress: I have no idea. vog | desrat: Yes? desrat | carl sassafraz? Holo | No!!!!!! Hell NO!!!! RMerlin | Sassafras? :) HammerD | frotz, :) desrat | hammer..:) RMerlin | Saskatoon?
Holo | Tweety: I mean a hardware software machine like the leap from C64 to Amiga. HammerD | carl, do you prefer custom chipsets, like the original amiga 1000, or do you think off the shelf gfx cards are the way to go? vog | Sassenrath. desrat | hi carl..glad to meet ya Montage | Tweety_ did you get my message Tweety_ | Okay, I see, you mean PPC w/no bakward compat. BAD move IMHO. 'sides Apple has already proven it can be done fairly well. RMerlin | darx seen exec -Darxide- | exec (raydar@*.netcom.com) signed off 5 hours and 57 minutes ago (Dead socket) egress | whoooow vog | Hammer: Very good question.... custom VS off the shelf.... Tweety_ | Holo: Amigas can emulate C64 quite well. Though I know not why anyone would want this. vog | Hammer: Always liked custom... but those days may be coming to a close. desrat | :) kolla | ah.. vog :) RMerlin | vog: Right now, I think AT has no skilled engineer to work on the OS. I guess that not much people knows it better than you do :) desrat | bless u Holo | Tweety: your missing the point. HammerD | vog, do you (personally) like the walker? RMerlin | Tsychenko I think... Tweety_ | Holo: sorry... Cappy | RMerlin: I wouldn't consider Andy Finkel a pushover in the OS dept. desrat | vog:i hate the design of the walker till i saw it could be streched out vog | RMerlin: No, but didn't they hire some good consultants? HammerD | Rmerlin, they have some contract coders, heinz wrobel, olaf barthel, andy finkel? RMerlin | Cappy: Only if AT could make THE move to hire him full-time. Holo | Tweety: How about a machine that moves 1 billion polygons a sec in 32 bit color, etc., etc., etc. sidewind | Peter who? RMerlin | vog: They have Barthel who's probably okay. I think Andy Finkel was also close to get involved. egress | vog:are AT keeping low end machines,eg for future china/asia market HammerD | vog, is the AT sale complete yet? RMerlin | I wouldn't put my faith on Barthel. Frotz | sidewind: escom/at dude. Tweety_ | Holo: You want an Sillicon Graphics Onyx? RMerlin | So far, looks like AT hopes that Phase5 does all the hard work for them. vog | RMerlin: Yes Barthel. desrat | brb..bogger in da nose kolla | poor vog :) vog | Hammer: no, not yet. Frotz | rmerlin: barthel is NOT ok. look what a fucking mess he made out of Term. Spudboy | Hello All RMerlin | Frotz: Okay in my words means "average" :) sidewind | Frotz: cool Holo | Tweety: No an Amiga priced machine. kolla | frotz: well.. have seen _lot_ worse than term.. RMerlin | Frotz: I wouldn't count on him to bring AmigaDOS in the 21st century. HammerD | vog, I hope projects at AT are taken off "hold" status soon... :=( I hope you can make nice announcements later this month :) vog | Frotz: Term? What do you mean mess? sidewind | WOOF! RMerlin | Damn it, site is about to dump me :( Catch you later folks! Senc | re Frotz | cappy: yick. Holo | New Amiga. YES!!! kolla | frotz: gtlayout rules! NightSpd | Frotz: What do you epect from a guy I had to pay in PAL videodisks:) Frotz | rmerlin: after Term, he qualifies as less than average in my eyes. vog | AztecC: Still there Jim? desrat | me likes voyager Tracker | the new amiga os should require you to type LOAD....,8,1 Tweety_ | Holo: So you think this can be done? Cappy | Frotz: He posted that many times back in my days on GEnie. AztecC | vog: hehe, having fun yet? Frotz | vog: Olaf Barthel took a small tight efficient program named Term, and turned it into a bloated mess in under a year. He's the laughinstock of most of the programmers I know. desrat | aooga HammerD | vog, do you talk to Dave Haynie at all? vog | AC: Wow... how do they keep the messages straight? Seem out of sequence often. Tweety_ | Damn it's noisy in here. Holo | Tweety: Sure. They were about to with HPRISC. It got lost though. Oh well. vog | Hammer: EMail every so often. But more soon I would guess. NightSpd | Frotz: Wait until he coverts it to MUI and then we can all belly laugh... desrat | re jkay Jkay | hello there turtle | hey tweety vog | AC: No problem... not sure I know how to moderate!?! HammerD | frotz, i think he has learned from those mistakes.. :) hopefully :) Tracker | IBM has bought rights to the Mac operating system, for mass reproduction in PowerPC computers made by IBM Frotz | hammerd: i see no evidence of that. Tweety_ | Holo: Don't have enough info to conjecture on HPRISC, but PPC is bound to be more widely supported in the future. kolla | NightSpeed: that will not happen ;) HammerD | aztec :=) caldi | NightSpd: Olaf doesn't like MUI. ;) Spudboy | tracker: oh really? kolla | NightSpeed: alot of the point with term was to test out gtlayout while making it .. Tracker | IBM is thinking about talking about eating the whole apple, if you get my drift HammerD | AztecC, are you going to france as well? vog | Jim, that was cool. I never knew you were a IRC god. Tweety_ | I'm sure they are Tracker... Frotz | tracker: no, that's not right. they licensed it so that they could build mac clones for companies that wanted to subcontract IBM to do so, not so that IBM could sell macs in the mainstream market. get a clue before you spew. Tracker | notice how apple has been paring down its operations, to make it cheaper at the fruit market kolla | tracker: where did you read that?? NightSpd | caldi: Would you rather I insult Class Act instead ;) AztecC | HammerD: No, I'm going to Yosemite :) HammerD | vog, do you know Dr.Hepler ? zygo | I'm back! vog | Hammer: no. Frotz | tracker: your information is badly distorted and mostly incorrect. Foobar | 'Eve everyone Spudboy | Zygo: Hi paulaM | hi Tracker | IBM is making PowerPC's - that statement is correct Spudboy | paulam: Hi HammerD | vog, how's your french? you better start practising :) desrat | well 1 outa 2 aint bad HammerD | hi Alan RexxMast | paulammmmm! Spot | Tracker: So is MOT... your point! Tracker | System 7 is being licensed to IBM. vog | Hammer: I was thinking about that.... don't know a single word! _Barron | What is a good browser I can use on my A3000??? Holo | Tweety: Sure but PPC is just a microprocessor. What makes Amiga so powerful is the custom chips. Imagine custom chips inside a section of the microprocessor. Wow! (HPRISC) zygo | Hi spudboy! Foobar | _Barron: AWeb :) egress | _barron:AWEB paulaM | hi spudboy :) Tweety_ | Barron: IBrowse rooster2 | NE1 from England going to the meeting in Toulouse? paulaM | hiya rexx :) HammerD | vog: :=) Bonjour, salut... Frotz | tracker: yes, but powerpc != macintosh. Foobar | _Barrons: Or Voyager Tracker | for the first time, the PowerPC's will have the OS they needed, and will be made by the big boys desrat | toolousy letrec? NightSpd | Tracker: IBM is using the Mac OS on it's PreP compliant systems.... the only thing these have in common with the PPC Mac is the processor. HammerD | vog, are you going to Germany as well? Cappy | NightSpd: That is incorrect. NightSpd | Cappy: Do tell. paulaM | i got a personal answer from sassenrath just now... he said "you will be pleased with what is about to happen. Tracker | IBM and Apple promised long ago what IBM is now about to produce vog | Hammer: not officially. But perhaps. Is that where you are? BillyIdol | _Barrons Alynx! ;) Frotz | tracker: macos is NOT the os the powerpc needs. it's slow, outdated, and brings a fast cpu to its knees. duh. NT for the powerpc will crush it. snapper2 | vog..... sounds like hog.... you must use MUI :) Cappy | NightSpd: IBM is not using the MacOS on their systems. HammerD | vog, nope, I'm in Canada Foobar | _Barron: I don't think any of the web browsers will run under 2.1 anymore. Early versions of Mosaic would, but they all need the datatype library. There's always ALynx if you really must Tweety_ | Holo: You work for HP? Frotz | paulam: talk to vog about that. rooster2 | Has NE1 on this channel got a graffiti or know of anyone that has ? Foobar | _Barron: Anymore, I really suggest you get 3.1 ... all around a good idea Tracker | in case you haven't noticed, Apple is prime for a takeover bid, and their OS is still very popular Foobar | Sidey! turtle | Jkay : where is bawt? hols? Frotz | tracker: you're flat out spewing bullshit, now stop or be confined to the outside of this channel, i'm NOT in a good mood. _Barron | Thankyou.. Tracker | IBM wants System 7 to help take away some of the Win95 market share Tweety_ | Tracker: Apple is "ripe" Heh, heh.. Holo | Tweety: No. But the concept is sound. I don't care who does it. Just that AT jumps ahead so far again that it takes 10 years to catch up. HammerD | vog, what amiga are you using now? an AT one ? vog | Snapper: headed this way. Frotz | tracker: under 5% of the market is NOT considered very popular. ushooz | Tracker go home Frotz | tracker: ok, you lose. NightSpd | Cappy: I'm not going to say you're dead wrong, but I think you might be... paulaM | hahah Jkay | turtle: well, mit.edu k-lined him, so Optic said "to hell with Efnet" He's in a far better place. Tweety_ | Holo: I just think that that could better be accomplished with a more popular processor.. And more cheaply.... Davo | MEOW! turtle | Jkay : hell? :o) NightSpd | Thanks Frotz. vog | Hammer: Sitting on my desk here, I've got 2 3000's, a 4000, but this is on an A1200.... egress | whoff Cappy | NightSpd: Frotz said it exactly as it's going down. Frotz | pardon me for a moment FUCK THE MACINTOSH!thanks. vog | Hammer: wanted to see how well/bad it worked under pressure. egress | A1200 are lovely Tweety_ | Frotz: Apple has gone to a 5% share??? HammerD | vog, what tcp/ip stack are you using? sidewind | WINDOWS95 sidewind | now sidewind | jhehe Frotz | tweety: powermacs are barely at that. desrat | 5%? sidewind | hehe rooster2 | egress:Dont say that otherwise you may get a 4000 owner slagging you off. snapper2 | vog : Physically, or here as in IRC ? vog | egress: not so sure I like the keyboard.... Foobar | Sidey: heheh Frotz | desrat: powermacs, not 680x0. kolla | vog: cool, I have 3 A1200s and an A3000 here :) all with ethernet ;) vog | snappper: physically. Foobar | _Barron: What happened? desrat | oh caldi | IMHO, the A1200 is great little machine, but I can't get used to the small return key to save my life. egress | vog:PC key board have no real feeling Holo | Tweety: cool. I don't. Nice conversation though! Thanks. rooster2 | egress:That is what happened to me.S o it's not only pc owners we have to look out for but other amiga owners (sigh~~) Tweety_ | Frotz: wow.... Cool <---(Certified Mac Hater) Macs don't like _me_ either BTW. vog | egress: this one is sponge city though. Amiga keyboards used to work well for me. AztecC | hehe, vog is using a german key cap set! :) Frotz | tweety: sorry, had to vent that. and tracker was captain misinformation. Spudboy | caldi: And that is your biggest problem with the A1200...hehe tekmage | NAN: do yo uhave any Blizzard SCSI kits? desrat | well...time for sum newz...later...cya vog paulaM | spot>> i compromised, nd use an A3000 keyboard on my A2000 :) Tweety_ | egress: Iv'e got an IBM keyboard at work that I just *love* nice positive click action, but not too firm of a feel. HammerD2 | re vog | Who was that that asked about asking questions? I could not read your text.... running 1200 in PAL half res. NAN | tekmage: No. Blizzards have not made it over yet. Spudboy | tekmage: Hello Spot | Paulm: Me too :) egress | vog:It great for people up at 5:30am NAN | tekmage: I have 1260's on the way, the SCSI kits were not available. NAN | vog: That would be me. tekmage | re Spudboy Foobar | ALL: This Saturday, Amiga Atlanta, Inc., will be hosting reps from both QuickPak and GVP-M.. Emera | Does anyone have ver 3.4 of Shapeshifter...? rooster2 | Paulam:Did carl s give you any info in his message you mentioned? caldi | Spudboy: Yep, in the little time I've used it (only at WOA shows, I don't use it at work/home much) :) HammerD2 | vog, do you think amiga development would stay in germany, or move to usa? Tweety_ | Frotz: Yeah, he pretty much deserved the boot. HammerD2 | re caldi vog | NAN: Sorry about that... the text showed in white here and the NAN ran together. TarlCabot | are 1200's still available? price? NAN | foobar: Funny... The guy you are probably getting from QuikPak started the original GVP :) HammerD2 | nan, tekmage has a A1260. He is in usa tho. paulaM | yay amiga developers :) tekmage | NAN: whats the price on the SCSI kit? Commando | TarlCabot: arond $700 or so. Frotz | hammerd: you mean development is actually taking place in germany? i'd never have known. 8 Frotz | 8) egress | tarlcabot:about £499 for a1200hd kolla | :) vog | Frotz: This IRC client does scroll.... tekmage | Commando: I think we lost connection desrat | bbl Frotz | vog: well there you go. 8) Spudboy | Venom: Hi NAN | $nacb tell tekmage price blizzard zygo | venom & spidey!! :) venom_ | Hiya Everyone! :) Jkay | vog: you'll have to get that fingerd running .. your machine is refusing links :) Commando | Does anyone know quikpak's rates on assembly? venom_ | Spudboy hi snapper2 | vog: Perhaps you should say why you are here to kind of organize the questions . Commando | tekmange: i pulled up a chat window .. venom_ | zygo :) paulaM | hi zygo :) HammerD2 | hi venom! venom_ | NightSpd hiya Tweety_ | Commando: probably higher than the rate of purchase. For now... egress | chaaat T Emera | Shapeshifter3.5 crashed my system and locks up...I need 3.4 to test something... Commando | erema: yes, i have 3.4.. tekmage | Commando: do you want to play again? vog | snapper: I'm testing this 1200. Not here in official capacity. HammerD | vog, you are at 640x256? I'm at 1152x900 on my A3000 :) Foobar | Emera: I heard 3.5 is now harder to use whatever hacks are out there with.. Commando | Tweety: i can go to zipperware and get Amiga 1200 internet w/ magic pack and scala for $720US Emera | commando: care to dcc? Tweety_ | vog: you have too many Amigas, care to ship me one? :> Commando | tekmange: sure! vntnrse | re Tweety_ | Commando: Then you should! Commando | tekmange: set your speed to max on the shooting.. zygo | Hi vntnrse Emera | foobar: I have no need of hacks vog | Hammer: yes 640, 256. Not much compared to what I am used to staring at. Commando | emera: well, i am playing a TCP game right now, can't you get it off of aminet? venom_ | Heya vntnrse :) Jkay | hell, I'm running this ancient 3000 at 740x482 :) on a 17" monitor tekmage | Commando: OK Emera | commando: it isn't on there any more...only 3.5 kolla | vog: the A1200 can do 912x628 you know ;) Nameless | Does anyone know occam2 here?? vog | Hamer: but I was curious how the low end lives. Does anyone really use the 1200 for this? Tweety_ | Commando: Wow, they have tcp games? NyxEA | re HammerD | vog, sometimes yes :) Frotz | re nyx. egress | vog:put 2meg more in up clock speed to 28Mhz and you have a great internet machine vog | kolla: thanks.... but not on a 1084. I've blown them out like that. ;) kolla | vog: hehe :) egress | vog:yes me A1200HD 2meg tekmage | Commando: connect now Commando | Tweety: i have an Amiga 3000 w/ picasso IV24, CDROM, Emplant, etc. etc. HammerD | vog, have you used a 060 before? vog | egress: yes, but then this would not be a typical box. Commando | tweety: not with the Amiga 1200 :-) Tweety_ | Commando: Oh... So, what were you asking? paulaM | sassenrath left me nice e-mail tonight vog | Hammer: no. vntnrse | zygo: 8D sidewind | WOOF! nomatez | Has NE1 looked into the AGAWxtender? tekmage | TWeety!!! how are YOU??? Its BIll Borsari from NCAUG! Commando | tekmange: ok kolla | vog: well.. actually .. one of the A1200 here use ntsc-laced on a 1084s here.. not to much flickering Spudboy | paulam: what is the scoop??? Commando | tekmage: ok venom_ | Heya sidey :) venom_ | Baaaaaah! :) Frotz | nyx, you name-dropper... vog | paula: Yes... sent lots of email today. Took entire afternoon to catchup. sidewind | venom_ :)) sidewind | moo to you too.. NyxEA | Frotz: No, seriously. I think we met once, but I can't remember when or what I was doing at the time. Commando | Tweety: dodm sidewind | paulaM Howdy Commando | Tweety: didn'yt ask anything .. snapper2 | vog: So how many email messages do you average per day since VISCorp announced their acquisition ? NyxEA | Frotz: I want to say MPEG stuff but i can't be sure. nomatez | I heard a rumour that VIScorp is interested in Fabio Bizzzetti's AGAExtender Commando | kolly: i think that mutliscan is a better deal Tweety_ | Commando: dodm??? Frotz | nyxea: well ask him. i didnt know you knew anything about computers... 8) Commando | nomatez: true .. kolla | commando: on a 1084 ?? TarlCabot | nomatez:agaextender? vog | Snapper: a few hundred a week on average. paulaM | vog>> ok :) i just figured who you were :/ NyxEA | Frotz: Feh HammerD2 | damn ISP, keeps hanging up on me NyxEA | ;) Nameless | ARGH!!! This shitty PC doesn't even multitask :-( Frotz | nyxea: come on, i wanna witness the teary reunion. Commando | kolla: forgot to add on a 1960 or so :-) HammerD2 | vog, approximately how many e-mails have you received since the VIScorp/AT deal announced? :) Foobar | Nameless: DUH.. what did you expect? vog | Snapper: Most email asks the same thing, so it goes fast. But I do have to read them.... the shorter ones that is. egress | steve jobs to buy viscrop/AT! kolla | commando: :) snapper2 | vog: Doesn't responding personally to all of them slow down ED OS development ? Jkay | HD: I hate that; at least I have an external modem, so I can see when I get punted HammerD2 | jkay, my isp has hung up on me twice in 10 minutes. vog | Hammer: I have not counted. Lots. AztecC | paulaM: vog = VIScorp OS Guy Inigo_ | Anyone have the game Twin World for Amiga? HammerD2 | Aztec, does ED use its own OS? or AmigaOS? nomatez | TarlCabot:The dox are on AMINET.It was proposed by Fabio Bizzetti of Virtual Karting.It is a gfx extender for aga machines.Supposed to be better than svga. NightSpd | Would someone define "set top box" for me. (As in "why the frak would I need/want one..) Foobar | Inigo_: Nope.. Vut is it? egress | Inigo_:did you write Twin World maybe vog | Snapper: yes, but I've tried ignoring my email in the past (like in the old Amiga days) and... paulaM | aztecC>> yes, i figured that... i'm slow tonight :/ :) AztecC | HammerD2: Kickstart 3.1 in ROM. Commando | night: you set a box on the TV - restricting you to it's kioks functions... vog | Snapper: it was not a good thing.... Inigo_ | No...it's a FINE platform game for Amiga from Ubisoft back in 91-92. EXCELLENT. Want it badly again. Even called Ubi Soft -- they do not offer it any longer. Gave all copies away. HammerD2 | AztecC, did you customize it at all or do you have software that sits on top of the OS ? Jkay | AztecC: vog= the man who forged the most important part of the Amiga OS, many years ago ... if I understand correctly, he's as important as The Padre. Nameless | foobar: Well, I DID expect netscape to allow me to STOP an xfer :-( Nameless | kolla: just convert it to jpegs :) Commando | nomatez: what is the file name? kolla | nameless: I though more for browsing .. kolla | cool ... vog | NAN: you've got that right. Jkay | current gif.dt bites it :/ nomatez | Commando:AGAExtenderdoc.lha (I Think) snapper2 | vog: So Corel was wondering what was with them wierd lists the the extra pointers :) Foobar | Nameless: Bah.. Which limbs I'd still have if I were taken away from any sort of multitasking.. kolla | Eagle Computers joins the party =) Nameless | Inigo: better try the pirate market then, if no one sells it I mean. Holo | Please don't kick me (cower). Anybody know if PowerPC Amigas will run NT? HammerD2 | vog, when did you leave C=? before 2.04 or after? vog | Snapper: you mean the back pointers? AztecC | HammerD2: Custom menu system for phone dialing, address book, etc. but with TV style look. NAN | holo: We'll get back to you on that :) kolla | Eagle Computers kick ass !! :) egress | ? could vog take bill gates in knife fight Commando | nomatez: in what directory? docs/hacks or sometning? NAN | vog: :) HammerD2 | kolla, gonna buy a Eagle A4000T ? :) vog | Hammer: yes. Nov 1985. Was pissed at Commodore. Jkay | egress: he'd whup his ass, of course. vntnrse | vog: I've just one simple question: Will we ever be able to laugh @ Microsoft's junk again? nomatez | I have a copy of the dox still.Who wants? AztecC | egress: =) NyxEA | Heh NyxEA | oops kolla | HammerD: well... ;) paulaM | hahah egress | holo:maddness has taken you snapper2 | vog: Yeah, they hadn't seen them before, but they bought something that used Exec Lists recently, so Ben just told them it allowd for easy removal :) HammerD | vog, must be alot of OS changes since you left. NightSpd | Commando: So could I further define it as "an interactive thingy that the cable company will want to rent to me for an additional 10 bucks, so that I can pay for thirty dollar services". kolla | HammerD: maybe buy tower for my A3000 and a better towersolution for my A1200.. TarlCabot | egress: I could take billy boy in a knife fight :) Frotz | nyx: you've been hitting the wrong window all day. isnt nextstep supposed to have advanced window controls or something? Nug | venom: Again?, Holo | NAN: Thank you. I have a ton of Amiga stuff now. I even have an Amiga 1000 that I don't use at all. (I use my 1200, and 2000) Commando | nightspd: right on the button TarlCabot | egress: probably any small boy could.. NyxEA | Frotz: I'm using ircII on my Indy. ;) kolla | HammerD: and a pentium board to run linux on =) vog | Hammer: actually, a lot less than I thought. Exec has been pretty stable. NAN | holo: I have stacks of Amiga's... and I only use 3. HammerD | kolla, cool! egress | vntnrse:i laughing now HammerD | vog, everyone was probably scared to fiddle with it :) NyxEA | HammerD: Yeah, but coolest part of it didn't change much over the years. ;) venom_ | Nug: Yeah I guess. Something bout Ibm using the Apple OS. Who knows? :) HammerD | nyx, you mean Exec, right? :) Frotz | nyxea: better off using it for radiance. Nug | venom: Ugh, don't want apple's OS. :) I wanna know what Sony's new os is going to be like. kolla | HammerD: or maybe even something better .. an alphaDEC board would be cool =D NyxEA | Frotz: My P133 is faster. ;) HammerD | kolla, cool, but expensive :)) kolla | HammerD: yup.. vog | Hammer: no, actually Bryce was a blessing. Very good. NyxEA | HammerD: Of course. NyxEA | Which is why I like 3DO's kernel. NyxEA | It's extremely Exec-like. Dale did a nice job with it. Nameless | kolla: trasputers would be even more fun, Not that fast, but if you get enoug of em :-D kolla | HammerD: I _like_ expencive equipments :) vntnrse | egress: ;) HammerD | kolla :) Foobar | BRB all Nug | Plus, 3D0's OS has good documentation. A lot of consoles have very bad docs. vog | NyxEA: 3DO's kernel was by Dale. NyxEA | vog: And then Sinz got ahold of it. Hehehehehe. ;) HammerD | vog, I hope you can arrange a IRC conference from France. That would really be great! :) vog | NyxEA: hehehe. HammerD | nyx, wasn't sinze good? NyxEA | vog: Darren found an interesting bog in the interrupt handling between 3.0 and 3.1 I think. kolla | Nameless: transputer? you mean emulating? HammerD | sinz even acadiel | hello all! NightSpd | Commando: Hmm, at least in the US with integrated communications on the horizon, it would integrate other functions as well... (and you could rent software for it to be distributed on a TV channel sideband? vog | Hammer: yes. Get the whole group in the room. NyxEA | vog: Yeah, I know... ushooz | NyxEA: That was funny :) NyxEA | HammerD: Nah, Sinz is okay. Except for 3.0's SAD debugger. ;) Foobar | back Lakris | Argh! Anyone into Occam 2 programming herE ? vog | whew.... skunk outside.... windows open. Holo | NAN: Hah! Put them all together and make a BIG Amiga! 7Mhz+16Mhz+40Mhz+50Mhz+14Mhz+40Mhz makes 167Mhz. Beats the pants off of a 166Mhz Pentium! HammerD | vog, cool :) Nameless | kolla: Nope, real multitasking with several processors. Programming a machine with 8 transputers as we speak. egress | vog:get one of those court typest to do live IRC from france NyxEA | Greg Miller had fun dragging Sinz over the coals on that one. kolla | Nameless:ah.. ok, like the bebox and others .. Trapper | re al Trapper | asl NightSpd | Nameless: I haven't heard of transputers in ages... Toecutter | Anyone been able to get Bane of the Cosmic Forge to work on a A1200? It keeps crashing on me right before combat. (sighing) acadiel | Carl! :) caldi | Nyx: Well they he named it right then didn't he? :) HammerD | nyx, well one of the things i liked about C= was the direction of the OS...it just kept getting better :) 2.04 was cool, 3.x was cooler :) vog | egress: something like that would be nice... but I figure it might end up being me. gish | hi Lakris | vog: Check out http://www.himolde.no/~espen/TheGame Lakris | :) snapper2 | NyxEA: Funny how Mikey still took the credit though :) Nameless | kolla: yeah, only that the trasputer is cheap, and you can have MANY of them (no limits in fact) Nameless | NightSpd. probably because they are slow :) HammerD | vog, nice job on the VIScorp WWW site. I'm glad you keep it current :) vog | Lakris: why? kolla | Nameless: hm.. cheap? why? egress | vog:how many word per min? :)) NyxEA | Be back later....food has arrived. tekmage | Commando: ok ready? Nameless | kolla: I don't know... Because they can make then cheap?? Frotz | nameless: but they dont share ram well, and ram isnt cheap, you know? vog | Nameless: THAT's the reason I left Amiga in 1985! Jkay | SpudBoy: TOPIC Lakris | vog: Why not ? :) Nah, it's just some work in progress... :) kolla | Nameless: :) acadiel | Vog: anything you want to say to the international AMIGA echo that I can post? ;) nomatez | Lakris:What is the worl in progress then? egress | vog:how about a viscrop mailing list for AT news Commando | tekmage: er.. maybe.. hold. Trib | Anyone tried playing Battleduel with a TCP/IP connection? I guess a better question would be would someone like to try? Nameless | frotz:; ram isn't cheap?? What planet are you from?? :) Nameless | Frotz: and they CAN'T share ram, that is soem of the multiprocessor thingys. Spudboy | Jkay: Wow the Carl....? Trip -out vog | acadiel: Not yet. Lakris | nomatez: We're doing a C&C/DuneII like game as our thesis.. :) kolla | Lakris: any TCP support? Foobar | #classact Foobar | Bah. caldi | haha HammerD | vog, why did you leave AMIGA ? transputers? Lakris | kolla: Maybe.. We've only been programming it for 3 months... vog | egress: yes.... there's a lot that needs to be done on the net for VIScorp to properly support things. Jkay | SpudB: ya, now if DrGandalf, and Dave H wandered in, we'd all explode. kolla | Lakris: pretty please!! ;) nomatez | Lakris:Wahhooo!C&C is one of the only games on the PC I love.I'm glad someone is doing an Amiga version.I shall check out your page soon..:() kolla | Lakris: :D vog | egress: But, we've got a node that is close to the NA backbone.... so bandwidth should work out. Spudboy | Jkay: haha ;) vog | Hammer: yes, transputers. acadiel | vog: I hope someething comes out soon... no ETA or anything? Wizird | Geezus is B5 good tonight. paulaM | i enjoued reading the haynie compuserve transcript a lot egress | but i tell you this parrot is dead! HammerD | vog, i think some developers have been complaining that AT hasn't done enough to support them. ... ie. no 3.1 developer docs... Frotz | nameless: ram isnt cheap if you need 8-10 cpu's worth of it, and I'm pretty aware of the inmos chips and their problems, i did some undergrad work on 64-cpu butterfly back when that was the complete and totall balls-out shit in industry. Wizird | Kosh is DEAD :( Nameless | kolla: there will be some sort of netplay for sure... At least in v1.2 :) Foobar | Wizird: Where is it? Lakris | nomatz: Well, don't look at it TOO soon... It won't be released until next summer :/ egress | vog:deadly slow sometimes from UK Lakris | nomatz: If at all... Jkay | Wiz: um ... hush. I havenbt seen it yet. Saturday acadiel | paula: I was the transcriber ;) Wizird | Foobar: local station Tachyon_ | Cool, 69 users! It's an orgy vog | Hammer: after the OS, wanted to add parallel processors to the next Amiga. Foobar | uh-huh HammerD | tach, heeh. nomatez | Commando:You no want AGAExtender dox? Nameless | Frotz: Well, if you need 1 Meg for each processor. and you buy 8 processors, you just need 8 megs of ram. Foobar | Wizird: Ok, I'm settng my VCR ro tape it tonight vog | Hammer: So I put in a purchase order for the transputer development board. ushooz | Rexxmast Dallas TX Wizird | Jkay: oops. :) HammerD | vog, you did, and they said no? paulaM | acadiel>> ah, cool :) that was a real good conference... very 'up', and haynie had a lot of good things to say Tachyon_ | 70! kick someone venom_ | Hi Tachyon sidewind | sex vog | Hammer: Figured I better get started on the future multiprocessor Amiga. sidewind | sheep kolla | darn.. crash due to lack of mem gish | Baaaaaa! Tachyon_ | My merlin? tgg | SiDeWiNdEr! HammerD | vog, wouldn't it be hard to re-write amigaOS to support that? Lakris | Urk! How do you terminate parallel processes in Occam 2 ? :/ Cappy | HammerD: Are you surprised they said no? ;) Frotz | nameless: i've yet to see an inmos OS that runs in under a meg of local ram and does anything of value. raytracing, which lends itself to parallelization, needs more ram than that just for partial octree data. Tachyon_ | Hey venom! vog | Hammer: Commodore was not interested in technology development. NAN | vog: Did those transputer cards EVER get released? acadiel | paulaM: heh ;) That was 4 hours of quality Compuserve time ;) sidewind | tgg!!!! sidewind | yohoho egress | 500Mhz PPC by end 97 HammerD | vog, that would have been cool. C= had alot of cool technology that got canned over the years :( kolla | vog: hows the support from motorola? vog | NAN: was not a card. Was an entire computer. Tachyon_ | Nameless: Then buy a Walker. it's already PPC capable HammerD | vog, AAA, 3D-RISC, 3000+.... :(((( Frotz | nameless: the powerpc is VERY cheap. Lakris | Name: What about a CHEAP Amiga for a change ? THAT would be the day ... :) Nameless | Frotz: Well, if you split it up enough, you won't have the need of more. But then again, I prefer programming in C, not occam 2 :-) NAN | vog: Okay... Same question.. :) vog | kolla: good I hear. tgg | erg: read about that...funny how it will draw more power then the 500Mhz alpha though...and I thought the alpha was suppose to be inefficient ;) Commando | HammerD: my thoughts exactly! paulaM | it seems all the best C= technology never saw the light of day :/ (a3000+, etc) Lakris | Tachyon: My A4000 is already ppc-capable... kolla | vog: great.. Nameless | Lak: Bah, you pay for what you get. I prefer having a good machine... just look at the ZIP trouble today :) Frotz | nameless: there are 2 commercial grade c compilers for the inmos range, and probably more by now. HammerD | vog, I think Dave Haynie is already outlining the specs for the PowerAmiga... egress | ttg:) vog | paulaM: Yes, and then there was the sad AAA story. Whew. Nameless | frotz: Well, we only program in Occam 2, and to be frank, that language sucks bigtime. vog | Hammer: That should prove to be interesting. kolla | vog: always looked on the amiga as the only machine actually _using_ the 68ks :) The macs only abused it :D RMerlin | re all AztecC | re RMerlin! Frotz | nameless: agreed. Tachyon_ | RMerlin HammerD | vog, yep :) tgg | erg: its funny when CPUs start drawing 60watts of power ;) the power brick from the A1200 would die if you tried to add a 500Mhz PPC card ;) plus I think the case would melt too ;) Spot | tooo fast vog | kolla: true. Macs did abuse it. Frotz | nameless: but that's a school language, not a production language. HammerD | vog, amigaOS is really fast on a 040 40MHz.. :) vog | tgg: I once worked on an Apple cpu that took about that much power! RMerlin | Please guys, you are now three who are telling me who vog is. I know, thanks :) paulaM | i found macs to be insulting, and ibm was boring... amiga was the only one that really impressed me :) egress | tgg:the power brick keels over from a 1230 sometimes vog | Hammer: yes. I do like fast OS's. Wish there were more. NAN | I have a printer that sucks 150W.. My lights dim when I turn it on. Nameless | Kolla: That is why the Mac's got all the professional SW. Lakris | Name: Ah.. You're so right... I mean, why are all those pc-guys slandering off the Amiga, besides trying to make us feel inferior ? THEY are the ones with the crappiest software... kolla | nameless: hm.. yes, guess so. Nameless | Lakris: Made it exit yet?? paulaM | hi rmerlin :) Lakris | The Amiga needs some big-time advertising/marketing... Only the pro people have heard of it... :) venom_ | Hiya RMerlin tgg | erg: I had an microbotics 1230XA with 33MHz 030/882 and 16megs ram in my A1200...with the stock PSU... ;) HammerD | vog, yah. Lakris | Name: No. YOU go figure out how to terminate parallel processes! :) kolla | vog: so sad.. Holo | Buy a bigfoot A1200. No problems here! :) Commando | tgg: did it melt? RMerlin | Jkay: hey, I was already around earlier when he was :) venom_ | NightSpd: Sorry I never did see TheMaxx. :( Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Well, you ready to belittle the 020 owners yet? paulaM | ha, get rodney dangerfield to be amiga's spokesman... cause neither of us get no respect :) vog | Frotz: great.... send me email with the subject: IRC moderate. Will look for it. Nameless | Lak: We'll ask JAAP when he comes to school. NightSpd | Lakris: Sure it does, but how and where and when and how much will it cost are the big questions. tgg | Com: nope...it works...afaik it still works...I sold it to a friend of mine and his house hasnt burned down yet so ;) Lakris | Hammerd: Well, AmigaOS on my 060 is instant :) RMerlin | Tachyon: Not yet. Those %&%% idiots at UPS messed, so it's postponed to tomorrow afternoon. My wall can testify ;) HammerD | Lakris: must be! :) HammerD | vog, keep that web page current :) I hit it once a day :) Foobar | I should have a copy oif LightROM 3 coming in tomorrow.. anyone have that? paulaM | hi tachyon :) Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Hahah, told ya! Never trust anyone in a shit coloured truck. AztecC | RMerlin: :(( Commando | tgg: hehehehhe.. vog | Lakris: Wonder how many task switches an 060 can do in a second? acadiel | tachyon: '020 users? :) I have one but it's not active ;) NightSpd | paulaM- I LIKE that...! egress | use sex pistols "i did it my way" for any amiga ads Lakris | Hammerd: Yep. Only slow thing on my machine is the chipram :( RMerlin | Tachyon: Never trust my usual bad luck too (I went through FIVE A500 in two weeks back then!) HammerD | lakris, yeah. Tachyon_ | Hey paulaM, anything I can give you tonight? Spot | I had a A1000 with an '020 ;-) Commando | Foobar: lightROM? NAN | rm: I have about 5 500's sitting in a closet.. acadiel | hmm.. Voyager's on Aminet? Silvergls | sure is HammerD | lakris, my reads to ram are about 58 megabytes/second with this warp engine :) egress | vog:the amiga must live and grow, it is our last best hope for peace Foobar | Commando: Yeah, lightrom 3 is a 3-CD set with DEM maps, nearly 7,000 objects, and another CD with mostly textures. Tachyon_ | RMerlin: don't feel bad. My friends tease me because EVERYthing I ever buy has something wrong with it paulaM | tachyon>> yes, but a little later... theres still netlag, and vog is here too :) i wanna read HammerD | egress: that sounds like something out of star wars... :) RMerlin | NAN: My first one had a few non-working keys, second one was obviously second-hand crap, third one blew the same evening I got it. NightSpd | Have a salesman selling PCs go home to his Amiga and say, "where to go today? Where Amiga was seven years ago" ;) RMerlin | Tachyon: Same here :( Tachyon_ | acadiel: I was kidding, poor RMerlin is waiting for his 030 card to arrive. Wizird | EGADS, next week's B5 is gonna be a KILLER!!!!!!!! Jeffman | /whois nitefyre Jeffman | oops acadiel | Tachyon: I'm using an '030 ;) Commando | Foobar: oh oh .. ok, i was for some reason thinking that NewTek was releasing Lightwave on a ROM :-) egress | Hammerd:babylon5 Tachyon_ | Wizird: Why? They not gonna show it? ;') Wizird | Shadows are gonna attack the station! EightBall | acadiel: yeppo Tachyon_ | HammerD: hehe, that's what I get. Sweet ain't it? Foobar | Commando: d'oh! :) Naw.. that'd be a little hard (where do you put it? Oh.. make your box a Lightwave terminal.. ;) snapper2 | Wizird: No more blips please :( sidewind | B5 ROCKS!!!!!! Tachyon_ | sucks rocks? Foobar | Indeed Jkay | Wiz: ... ahem ... egress | wizard:babylon 5 is fast becomeing better than startrek vog | Zonum: thanks. Been somewhat strange to drop in here. Not on IRC. paulaM | hiya SW :) sidewind | its a real story sidewind | hehe Wizird | egress: its beyond ST now. HammerD | tach: YEP:) Spot | Egress: I Always thought it was better! Wizird | Jkay: bah, thats next week, not tonight! sidewind | egress: exactgly sidewind | exactly sidewind | sheep like Commando | Foobar: in the Amiga ROM socket... RexxMast | yo T-Hatch RexxMast | :) Wizird | So many things happened on B5 tonight.. :( egress | spot:it is a lot less warm cuddle than ST T-Hatch | yo RexxMast! Zonum | 'Nite all! RexxMast | bye zonum vog | Anything else from anyone listening from the corners? Commando | tekmage: I actually WON A GAME!!! venom_ | Hiya T-Hatch! :) turtle | wizird : any guru`s? T-Hatch | hiya venom_: Pissed? ;) paulaM | uh-oh Foobar | Ack.. only 14M free on my HD.. ack! BEen downloading too many of Sidewinder's MODs :) acadiel | Foobar: I've got 8 MB left ;) acadiel | re t-hatch! Wizird | turtle: ummm ? Foobar | Acadiel: Ack! Well, I remember just a few days ago Ihad ~140M tekmage | Commando: only because I'm watching vog :) T-Hatch | hehe darxide should have Cussing protection ;) Jkay | vog: you know we'll buy whatever you produce, so don't let us down :/ ... wow; how honest. RexxMast | venom_mmmmmm! :) HammerD | vog, good luck in france :) AdamH | Aaaaaahahh. They did it.... Tachyon_ | vog? is that like German fog? ;') caldi | vog: Any plans for a US/Canada developer meeting? :) T-Hatch | acadiel: We dumped AMIRC... egress | vog:give a shit load of software away with the amiga, like imagine 3-gives them a upgrade path acadiel | Foobar: Darn! :) sidewind | can we get B5 tapes? Foobar | :( sidewind | here? paulaM | its just nice to see people in here finally who can really make a difference :) Spudboy | Vog: Just a comment...if AT & VisCorp quit making Amiga's it will be one sad day... vog | Jkay, Hammer: thanks.... france will be interesting to watch. sidewind | vog: who are you? :) paulaM | yes, dont forget the us/canada :) NightSpd | paulaM: ditto to that sentiment. Jkay | sidey: TOPIC HammerD | side: /topic vog | Spud: yes. a sad day. Puer | howdy gish | long live Amiga!! amen :) venom_ | Heya Puer :) Jkay | I would buy an AT 4000t, but at the price they want; I feel so USED. :( Puer | hi venom :) *hug* vog | paula: I won't forget US or Canada. egress | vog:if viscrop/AT stop selling amigas could i have the rights and make them in my gargage paulaM | yay :) Puer | If I hadn't bought my 3000 last summer I would buy an AT4000T HammerD | egress :) snapper2 | vog: Canada, how could you :) JacobE | jkay: i totally fucking agree :) Puer | im waiting for Power Amiga next vog | egress: no... I'll make them in my basement. ;) paulaM | cause i'm itching to upgrade to the new model... just put it out & i'm there :) Spot | COmmodore Canada MADE a SHIT load of $$$ kolla | hm.. masse mennesker her jo .. Wizird | Someone's gonna wait a long long time. caldi | vog: Perhaps you can attend Amiga Convention '96 in Montreal this coming August... TheCrow_ | hi #? sidewind | vog: hi Carl Saggenrath :) Tachyon_ | We need networking too. Like a netbios protocol, and netware in addition to TCP/IP RMerlin | caldi: What a great idea! :) vog | Jkay: yes... prices AT had were pretty high from what I was told. egress | vog:i'll work for nothing :)))) NightSpd | vog: egress and I will be there with our soldering irons;) Jkay | I fully understand the Amiga's particular market/price quandry, but 020 machines for $700 ... I wonder if the salesman will ask me to bend over too .. Cappy | I'll be interested in seeing what VISCorp/AT can pull outa the hat that will attract new users. snapper2 | Spot: C= Canada goes down in history as the only sales company that showed a profit EVERY quarter vog | sidewind: hello. Nuuz | Power Amiga, RISC Based, running system 7 OS, compaible with the new Apple/IBM standard caldi | RM: I bet Fred would even pay for it. :) HammerD | vog, after you speak french in france next week, montreal should be a breeze for you in august :) Tachyon_ | Gee if you go to AC 96 in Montreal, you'll even get to meet me! ;') vog | egress, night: great, I'll make some space. RMerlin | caldi: Might be, if we harrass him enough for it ;) paulaM | amiga needs affordability, and a high low-end model acadiel | bbl8r vog | AztecC: go to france? RMerlin | caldi: He said no to Jason, but who would say No to the exec's Father? :) Commando | yes ethernet and tcp/ip ... Tachyon_ | snapper2: Of course, we do everything right! AztecC | vog: Montreal! venom_ | ta T-Hatch :) Nuuz | amiga needs customers who aren't computer programmers Jkay | vog: Sidewinder may seem like a lamer, but he's one of the best MOD artists out there.. he has his own Aminet dir ;) HammerD | aztecC: we'll be there in montreal august 3/4. RMerlin | vog: Montreal, Quebec. Eastern Canada. NightSpd | vog: seems to me an Amiga that can be used to develop third party apps for the dedicated model might have some appeal, assuming the set top unit is adaptable enough? Jkay | what's the path, sidey? AdamH | Sidewinder *is* a lamer, no doubt about that one :) vog | AC: missed that.... sounds good to me! RMerlin | vog: The infos are on AT's home page. T-Hatch | bye ;) snapper2 | vog: Don't worry, I;m not close enough to Montreal for it to be a problem :) sidewind | Amiga needs real men.. uh.. oops sorry thats sheep NAN | snapper: C= Canada was the last remaining C=. paulaM | hopefully enough set-top boxes can be sold to keep component prices low for amigas too :) NightSpd | sidey: baahah! Cappy | vog: What are you're feelings on Java? Everyone else seems to be moving that direction. Foobar | Sheep! sidewind | Jkay: hehe RMerlin | Tachyon: Look for the longest ponytail, that'd be me :) LowLight | re sidewind | AdamH: i try to remind myself :) Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Bah, it'd be ME venom_ | Heya LowLight :) RMerlin | Tachyon: They we can't miss each other :) RMerlin | Then AdamH | Sidewind:) Commando | Tachyon: good idea :-) tekmage | vog: do you ever get to Washington D.C.? if so how about to come and talk to our users group??? HammerD | re AdamH! RexxMast | nah it would be my sister! :) vog | Cappy: Oh, good subject: JAVA. LowLight | Venom_: Yawn!!! AdamH | 'ullo there, HammerD Commando | re lowlight NAN | Adam.. vog | tekmage: Bill Buck's your man! Foobar | ack! Javalert AdamH | Excellent new B5 episode tonight Lakris | kolla: Var det fine screenshots ? :) AdamH | NAN! kolla | aner ikke jeg vel kolla | :D Lakris | 640x512 mener du vel venom_ | Hi RexOrient tekmage | vog: will he come? kolla | sikkert HammerD | snapper :)) RexOrient | hiya's Lakris | kolla: GURA du ? Lakris | hahaha sunrise | now all we need is a browser that understands VRML :) sidewind | Jkay: my new site is http://www.europa.com/~hansolo/cowboy.htm Cappy | yeah JAVA...lazy fingers. ;) kolla | lakris: heh.. jeg har jo saa mye minne da husker du. TheCrow_ | EAGLE did what? any german speaker/reader, here? can U translate from AT's home page? NightSpd | sunrise: heck I'd settle for one that understands HTML ;) AdamH | sidewind: Why're you using a Oregon based WWW server? HammerD | commando, its slow on my P-100 with 16 meg ram. RMerlin | Tachyon: Darn. Around 12-14 inches here :( kolla | lakris: gurua ikke, bare .. poing .. svart. vog | AztecC: What do you think of Java? JacobE | adamh: which was that? RMerlin | Tachyon: Maybe 15. sidewind | AdamH: rents cheaper? Tachyon_ | RMerlin: hehe, well I am older. So I had a headstart I guess. Fastlane | laaaaag snapper2 | vog: Hey, thats cheating :) NightSpd | RMerlin: Only 15 inches here. AdamH | JacobE: Er, which of my comments are you replying to? Silvergls | What about P'Jami has it had any further developements? HammerD | snapper2, i assume you adore java? :) RMerlin | Tachyon: I also cutted them three years ago. AdamH | sidewind: That'd be a good reason :) RMerlin | Tachyon: Or else, I'd be MUCH longer. Tachyon_ | JAVA, great concept. overly complex implementation AdamH | gish: August sometime AztecC | vog: nice if you're doing stock reports and spreadsheets. ;) HammerD | gish, august 3/4 I think. its on AT's www site (www.amiga.de) Phantasm1 | Could some one DCC me the Mailcap and MIME envs for AMosaic 2.0? sidewind | hehe Commando | HammerD: i thought that was what was required?! damn. gish | cool vog | Tachyon: Well said. Well said. Tachyon_ | RMerlin: Yeah, i just ditched about 4 inches a couple months back (end's patrol) Commando | tekmage: i am on a role! JacobE | adamh: the excellent b5 episode Mr_Bill | rehi. I found my 2.04 disks and manual from when I had my a1000, and am wiping/reinstalling my 3000 vog | AztecC: ;) Puer | re... AdamH | Jacobe: Oh, Interludes and examination. aka JMS does some housecleaning RMerlin | gish: Early August. venom_ | Hi Mr_Bill HammerD | vog, you'll have mega jet-lag if you are flying from california to paris, france :) Tachyon_ | vog: THey might as well just added a netscape API to C ;') zygo | HammerD: Love Java or hate it, that was THE hot topic at Internet World in Santa Clara last week. snapper2 | I recognize Java for what it is, it's things like the Win Kit and other native glue that cause it problems and severe security risks. venom_ | Hey Puer what's up? Mr_Bill | hm, seems this used to be a superkickstart machine but now it's got ROMs, or something. venom_ | Hiya Bagder :) vishart | I have an A2000 with a 2630/2632....will WB3.1 be any good to me ? tekmage | Commando: I need to go to bed :) I'll play you later!!! Bagder | hi venom! RMerlin | Hey Bagder :) Mr_Bill | I hold down both mouse buttons when I boot and I only get a menu where I can pick which disk partition to boot from. TheCrow_ | did AT licensed anything to EAGLE? Puer | hello? Fastlane | hi Dan Trapper | hiya Bagder Commando | Java nfeeds to be revised... Commando | tekmage: yea, you do! cya NAN | vishart: It will work if that's what you are asking.. Commando | re badger.. vog | Hammer: yes, jet lag. egress | java on PC will prob. need 16Meg min NAN | $log off -NACb- | DOWNS:IRCLOG closed. HammerD | zygo, with the plethora of "plug-ins" out there, one can easily get lost. Half of them are probably junk. Java sounds promising, but I have yet to see a real need for it. Plus at 28.8 it wasn't that fast. Tachyon_ | I had hoped that JAVA would be sorta REXX like. I think REXX would be good for that job anyway. And codeable by mortals. Bagder | hi trapper, rmerl, fastlane, eetu! EightBall | Anyone using Yoyager yet? EightBall | I mean Voyager! Tachyon_ | hey Bagder! Bagder | wow all friends ! vishart | net Voyeur ? NAN | (doh!) Fastlane | YES! paulaM | hei eetu :) sunrise | any web application requres ISDN to really blaze. That's a fact of life. We need more bandwidth thatn the infrastructure can currently supply NightSpd | BBE. Fastlane | YES YES YES! Bagder | hi comm and Tachyon too Bagder | and paulaM! Landrius | EightBall: yep. Good for images... And that's about it. snapper2 | parking.lot.com ? kolla | TheCrow: as I got it, EAGLE got the license to sell A4000T, that is eagle get motherboards etc from AT and stuff whatever they like into the their towers aswell before selling it off :) NAN | sunriese: I just had an ISDN line installed for that reason. AdamH | NAN: So the ISDN line is actually in now? Fastlane | <--- now has his OWN personal DOMAIN :) Mr_Bill | cool - my 2.04 disks were still good after 3 years in the closet. 8-) HammerD | :) sunrise | so Eagle will be selling a4000/pentium towers now? Mr_Bill | Fastlane: I have 3 domains of my own. feh. NAN | adamh: Been here for a week and a bit.. Just no damn BitSurfer yet. zygo | HammerD: It's also unpleasant to program but it seems to be what people want in their web pages lately Jkay | Fastlane; like ragtime.com? :) egress | vog:you remmber that '1984' ad for apple, do the same thing but against mircosoft Fastlane | Mr_Bill: yeh.. right. Jkay | fasty: congrats Fastlane | Jkay: nah.. fastlane.net.au :) AdamH | NAN: Grrr (putting up with 28.8 hrtr) TheCrow_ | kolla: thanx, I really can't understand any german... paulaM | hiya bagder :) vishart | mirkosoft ? Fastlane | you usually need to be a company or have a business number over here.. kolla | TheCrow: hehe vishart | Mirk O' Soft ? vog | egress: yes... always liked that ad. Trib | I've got my BattleDuel running in Server mode if someone wants to try it. The address is "kanep.pr.mcs.net" Darkheart | Rmerlin: I have been looking at E. seems interesting. I'm not sure if there are any significant advantages over C++. Do you know any? NAN | adamh: 28k is slow for everthing that runs through this box now. HammerD | vog, do you like the macOS ? ? kolla | HammerD: no he doesnt vog | Commando: yes? sunrise | trib is there a PC vversion of battleduel? kolla | HammerD: :) Mr_Bill | Fastlane: bofh.okc.ok.us, gothic.okc.ok.us, free.bsd.net, do you need any more? I help run an ISP. Fastlane | good day all round.. also got my 8MB simm.. paulaM | geez, i was on FTP a dinnertime, and it took me 25 min to get a 200k file... and my ISP is T1!! :/ so yes, the net itself needs an overhaul egress | vog:most important part, the girl had great tits AdamH | NAN: :) sidewind | hehe Fastlane | Mr_Bill: they're not bottom level domains though :P zygo | fastlane: So do I :) vog | Hammer: Did you know that I went to work for Apple after Amiga? RMerlin | Darkheart: You don't have to do OO stuff, and it's less bloatted than C++. sidewind | way to damn slow 14.4 HammerD | nan, that must be hard to wait out.. :) kolla | HammerD: he said the MAcOS abused the 68k, so cannot like macos sidewind | ::sigh:: HammerD | vog, yes. didn't they ask you to re-write their kernel? :) Puer | ah... i think i got a better connection kolla | HammerD: thats my oppinion aswell btw ;) Trib | Java looks cool. I want P'Jami! NAN | hd: Every day I call the distributor to remind them to check and see if they are in.. vishart | The Lurker's Guide ? HammerD | nan heeh :) venom_ | Hey Puer: Probs? welcome back. :) Tachyon_ | sidewind: JAVA almost makes sense if the `WebPC' got popular for use with them. paulaM | amiga can do everythingf else... why not java too?? :) NAN | hd: I ordered a purple one and a black one... Just to see which one makes it first. sidewind | then i can play sidewind | more sunrise | nan a purple what? vog | Commando: yes... they exist out there somewhere. kolla | any gifanim viewers for amiga yet? Commando | mac os is still too much like WB1.3 .. sunrise | I wish I had enough EE knowledge to make a zIII ethernet card NAN | sunrise: BitSurferPro. sunrise | nan: ahh. HammerD | vog, what happened to videostream? Commando | sunrise: battleduel is really cool... venom_ | re NightSpd Eetu | hei kaikki, hi all ! NyxEA | mmm NyxEA | .bak Mr_Bill | crap, guess this machine IS a superkickstart machine. feh, gotta do the install over again. Jkay | sunrise: um .. Z II has plenty more bandwidth than ethernet Trib | sunrise: I don't think so. I just got the lastest version off on Aminet, and I want to try its TCP/IP network game. kolla | macos is newbiefriendly but stupid, to easy to make stupid mistakes.. Tachyon_ | NAN: How do you like the BS-Pro? and what is the server? Tweety_ | Commando: re:macos :> :> vog | Hammer: VideoStream, that cutting edge ITV company? Trib | wants NyxEA | C++ sucks or something. NyxEA | ;) NAN | tach: I'll let you know. vog | Hammer: Gone. All gone. Tweety_ | kolla: hate the way IT tells you what to do... HammerD | vog, yep. hidden away in the northern californian mountains.. :) do you still live there, though? NyxEA | vog: I'm sorry. ;) kolla | Tweety: yes Tachyon_ | We need Z3 100Mbit e-net cards, and 45Mbit ATM. Darkheart | re Rmerlin sunrise | jkay: What I'm saying is a Z-II/II compatible ethernet card that doesnt cost $300 vog | hammer: you are tuned. Yes. Sitting there right now. RMerlin | Darn is EFnet slow tonight... NyxEA | MacOS..... Lorna | Hola amigas Lorna | hahahahahahaha NyxEA | BeOS...... Darkheart | the apparent ease of making .library files is what is enticing me with E RMerlin | NyxEA: The other guy also talked about SeePlusPlus earlier ;) kolla | sunrise: I got all my 4 a2065 cards for free from a school here, hehehehe :D Jkay | sunrise: ah. supply n demand. if you want a cheap E-net card, buy a used one from NAN. HammerD | nyx, you don't like beos ?? NAN | sunrise: I told DKB make an ethernet card I can sell for less then $200CAD. Dean said he'll see what he can come up with. AdamH | The Lurker's Guide is perhaos the most comprehensive source of information on Babylon5 there is; makes for fascinating reading Landrius | RMerlin: You seem to say that a lot... Is EFnet EVER fast? 8-) vog | Hammer: to continue my Apple story: They wanted me to implement an object oriented OS that multitasked. RMerlin | Landrius: Yes, it was two nights ago :) Tachyon_ | NyxEA: YAY, some else not in the Be cult sidewind | Tachyon_ it makes sense if your Bill Gates.. heh.. well its here anyways lets hope sunrise | Nan: Really? Cool. Shouldt be that hard. There are plenty of stock ethernet chipsets out there Commando | vog: does quikpack manufacture these? Trib | 100 megabit ethernet vog | Hammer: I figured, if they threw enough money at it, perhaps it could happen. RMerlin | darx split -Darxide- | azure.acsu.buffalo.edu *.fi split 10 minutes and 56 seconds ago (partly healed) HammerD | vog, i guess it never happened, right? -Darxide- | eff.org azure.acsu.buffalo.edu split 21 minutes and 57 seconds ago (partly healed) sidewind | Tachyon_ if we all can get along and preserve bandwidtg :) sidewind | bandwidth Mr_Bill | I've got a 3.1 kickstart image on a DOS machine . . now HOW can I get that to my Amiga? NyxEA | HammerD: No. I think it's scr00d. Landrius | RMerlin: Just the once? :o egress | sheep zygo | vog: I used to be an Amiga dealer in the San Francisco area Tachyon_ | NAN: PLEEZ tell them to put an AUI on it! sunrise | tach: AUI??? vog | Hammer: They purchased a cray xmp48 to program it on. NyxEA | HammerD: I take offense when they call it Amiga '96 sunrise | Mr_Bill a terminal program? snapper2 | vog: I don't think it would take THAT much money.... Darkheart | Mr-BILL: easy. floppy disk Mr_Bill | sunrise: no modem (or cables) to the Amiga. Mr_Bill | Darkheart: PC format? HammerD | nyx: yeah. NAN | tach: He wanted to put just 10-base-t on it... I don't know where Dean does his networking, but 10-base-t ain't too common for networking Amiga's to Amiga's. sunrise | Without the 3.1 WB disks the rom is worthless to you. Mr_bill - buy the thing Commando | sunrise: you might like FlopNET then ... :-) HammerD | vog, did you start work on it? vog | Snapper: yes, less would have been more. Darkheart | mr_Bill: sure. sunrise | commando: Flopnet? Commando | MrBill: copy it on to a PC disk and put it on the Amiga. paulaM | cya vnt egress | vog:ad header for Power Amiga "Bigger Better Faster More" vog | Hammer: yes. But the cray is a pretty unfriendly place to code. AdamH | NAN: Bizarrely enough, Wonder's offices used 10-base-t rather than 10-base-2. Commando | what is the command arguments on sc in SAS/C which compiles and links? Tachyon_ | NAN: no kidding, at least with an AUI, you just add whatever transceiver your net uses. WOrks on anything. NightSpd | Does anyone know of a CGI that supports the PUT code. sidewind | shop till ya drop Davo | wow, what an enlightened statement paula :-)... kolla | :) Tweety_ | Sidwinder: Ewww that's gross, spit it out already! sidewind | Amiga Super Mall! vog | Hammer: The guy in the office next to me, Sam Dicker, also one of the original amigans... sidewind | wall to wall products heh RMerlin | PowerAmiga: What do you want to use tomorrow? :) paulaM | hiya davo :) NAN | tach: I know. The WildFire doesn't even have a standard AUI port on it. It's just a jumper block. sunrise | egress then they get sued by 4 non blondes. Tachyon_ | sunrise: Yeah, a REAL ethernet connector, not &^$ telephone cable RJ45 nonsense HammerD | vog, what was the amiga coded on originally? unix? egress | sunrise Puer | :) egress | shit kolla | hm.. 4 ethernetcards and a ISDN card.. all for free.. am I priviliged or what? :) space | when is the power amiga coming out? vog | brought in his Amiga... to the Apple Advanced Technology group, because he could not stand using a Mac. sunrise | Hammer: It was written in BCPL originally egress | really AdamH | voy: An Atari 800? :) NyxEA | HammerD: Eventually Sun workstations. HammerD | sunrise, exec was in bcpl? RMerlin | sunrise: Only the DOS was. Davo | peaches NyxEA | HammerD: No sure what they used before that. Commando | sunrise: an ethernet compatable networking device i am working on - it will not support 10M/sec ethernet connections, but it will work :-) it will be around $50 a node or so .. . RMerlin | HammerD: No, only DOS. It was TripOS, written in BCPL. sunrise | Hammer the whole effing OS in 1.0 was in BCPL snapper2 | caldi: YOu still have that file I sent you last week ? vog | He would hook up from the cray to his Amiga! Geeze that made people mad around apple. Darkheart | Nan: not you. the OTHER ones. NyxEA | sunrise: No it wasn't. Essej | i hate to ask, but does anyone know a channel or site to get some relatively safe PC shareware/pd stuff? vog | I just laughed. Man did I laugh. sunrise | Commando why wont it support 10m/sec? Darkheart | NAN: ever been to Comspec? (idiots) paulaM | yay amiga :) egress | Essej:WHAT vog | But, anyway.... things got complicated very fast. sunrise | Nyx: I thought it was. Sorry. What was exec written in then 68000 asm? NAN | dark: Was there just last week. Commando | sunrise: the floppyport can not handle such a feed.. :-) paulaM | you know amiga is good... it makes people mad :) venom_ | Hi Mustitask Essej | egress: i know, but this is the only channel i know of wotrth ts salt Eetu | Hiya monk NyxEA | sunrise: Exec is 100% exec assembly. Darkheart | NAN: last time I was there I asked if some game would work on the A4000. the sales person told me he doesn't know much about the 'Omega' vog | Apple didn't want to do a multitasking OS. sunrise | Commando you're doing it on the floppy port? Ewww. Cool idea tho. How about the paralell port? Trib | Commando: Floppy is what.. About 50k/sec? Multitask | Howdy NyxEA | sunrise: Very tight and fast 68000 assembly I might add. Tachyon_ | Essej: Bah, forget IRC for that stuff, hit Aminet _Monk_ | Hi all _Monk_ | Hi Eetu! Multitask | YO Bagder Mr_Bill | i cant even remember what the name of the text editor is . . . sidewind | Darkheart: alot of C= activity in that town venom_ | Hi Monk Multitask | Hi ya Venom egress | Essej:you want #windows95 vog | Or, should I say, they didn't want to break all the apps that were out there in order to accomplish that end. Commando | Trib: yes, but there are ways around that to double and even tripple the bandwidth by using more data lines on the floppy.. sidewind | Darkheart: back when.. Mr_Bill | can anybody help.? NAN | dark: Comspec used to build Amiga hardware.. Bad hardware, but still.. Commando | sunrise: floppy is faster then paralell.. Mr_Bill | I'ts been 3 years since I used an Amiga. Essej | egress: for old windoze systems?? _Monk_ | Hi Venom sunrise | nyx: Hence the problem with porting exec to PPC :) HammerD2 | Sorry guys, my damn ISP keeps hanging up on me (snapper is that you? :))) vog | Hammer: (did you get all that?) Darkheart | NAN: well Comspec used to have a dedicated Amiga store. HammerD2 | vog, no, please repeat Puer | :) NyxEA | sunrise: I wouldn't port it. I'd redesign it similar to how 3DO did. venom_ | Hi Puer :) RMerlin | Why don't we put up some conference? vog | Hammer! Darkheart | Comspec used to have a cool Video Toaster on display NAN | dark: Oh I know... :) egress | Essej:#window1985 :)))) Puer | hiya venom :) Tachyon_ | Commando: Hmmm serial to parallel converter basically. instant 8x speed increase. good plan HammerD2 | vog, my ISP is hanging up on me :(( (its prolly snapper we use the same isp :) sunrise | Nyx: Whatever, as long as you have functionality for the 68K based apps. sidewind | sex NyxEA | sunrise: I'd emulate it. venom_ | Puer: Finally, adjusted to your server? :) Jkay | vog: it'll be in the logs .. i'm sure ther are 10 people here recording everything you say ... "speak into ze mike-row-phone pleese" sidewind | on the net. gees Essej | egress: i think it's a bit newer than that, but oh well AdamH | HammerD: Possibly trying to get back at you for one reason or another :) sunrise | If you did the amigados libraries and exec in PPC... AztecC | HammerD: I'll email a transcript! :) HammerD2 | nyx: well i'm old enough to have programmed lots of cobol code in university :) Darkheart | Trib: BattleDuel? vog | Hammer.... oh well. It was a good story. I'm sure snapper doesnt want to hear it again. NyxEA | sunrise: 3DO's protected PowerPC kernel has faster task switch times than the fastest Amiga. space | wil there be any new amigas coming out or is it basically dead? RMerlin | JKay :) kolla | anyone know how to connect two amigas with nullmodem and AmiTCP? HammerD2 | aztecc: ok, email@example.com (very easy email address :) Tachyon_ | Trib: You're kane? DOH, I dinna know that. Puer | venom, i finally found an unlagged server :) Mr_Bill | ack is there a noclick program with "factory" wb2.04? snapper2 | vog: I 'm busy looking for afile for you, go for it. paulaM | space>> bah... its the second coming :) AdamH | Nyx: Do you still own an Amiga these days? Trib | Darkheart: Tank game from Aminet Trib | Tachyon: Thats me! Commando | tachyon: hmmm.. interesting idea. Under the idea of the floppy port being 44k/sec, i can speed it up to 352k/sec ... vog | so... who else was trying to get my attention? There was a dealer out there? venom_ | Puer: Very bad lags lately. :( Darkheart | Trib looking for it now acadiel | oh man, I'm getting rid of IBrowse and Aweb. Voyager kicks REAR END! :-) Tachyon_ | Trib: I just e-mailed you about using your page in a link on my page last week, venom_ | Hi acadiel Commando | tach: as fast as some CD-ROM drives... HammerD2 | vog/AztecC do you like the PowerPC? acadiel | re venom! kolla | acadiel: no it doesnt kolla | acadiel: not proper html2 support Tachyon_ | Commando: which is what many 10Mbit enet ppl get anyway Puer | Voyager is slow... Puer | but nice... acadiel | kolla: it sure as heck is way faster than IBrowse ;) kolla | acadiel: erh.. Trib | Tachyon: That was you? kolla | acadiel: not on this box venom_ | Puer: You like Voyager the best? I think I like Aweb. Multitask | koalla: wrong.. it's 100% html2 Tachyon_ | Trib: Yeah. I also asked about MP 1.4. You get it yet? kolla | Multitask: nope Puer | i like both kolla | Multitask: I _tried_ it EightBall | acadiel: What kind of amy do you have? acadiel | perfonal preference... Voyager is faster and more reliable than any other browser I've seen. ;) vog | Anyone else want to chat? Puer | Voyager is way slow... Darkheart | Ibrowse was a lot faster in a side by side comparison on my machine kolla | Multitask: I dont trust it AztecC | Hammer: Sounds good, haven't looked too closely at it. Commando | Tachyon: yea, appletalk is even slower .. :- but since ethernet cables usually only have 4 channels, not 8. Trib | Tachyon: I checked UUI BBS, and 1.3 is still the lastest. (At least of two days ago it still was) venom_ | Puer: How bout IBrowse6? egress | NyxEA | vog: Is it still too "late" to email Viscorp with "suggestions"? BTW, do you remember if we ever met at C=? (Ken Dyke) Commando | tachyon: it would be card to do. Puer | IB is faster... acadiel | EightBall: A1200/030/40mhz/8MBram vog | AztecC: Still there? RMerlin | vog: Nyx here said that VisCorp were buying AT because you wanted to hack at the exec source. Is it true? :) AdamH | vog: Any ideas as to when you'll be able to announce things (i.e. when the legal matters ar eunder control) Foobar | IB is not faster. It uses MUI. It defaults to SLOW. acadiel | vog: any ETA on anything? Tachyon_ | Trib: typical, they told me a month ago it would be out the next monday. NyxEA | vog: I think we did, but I don't remember. Seems like you poked your head into my cube once....but damnit if I can remember when. ;) NyxEA | vob: In the 1992-1994 timeframe... vog | RMerlin: wow, good one. HammerD2 | rmerlin: I think everyone is scared to touch it...if they do they might screw it up :) Darkheart | vog: who are you? Multitask | koala: being that I don't knwo the html2 codes.. are you SURe that what you're telling me is html2 and not nhtml or something else? Trib | IBrowse 6a has run great for me. RMerlin | HammerD2: hehehe! NyxEA | RMerlin: I never said that. ;) Quit that. ;) DocSane | Who's tried out Voyager yet? Tachyon_ | Commando: still, it sounds like at least a neat experiment kolla | Multitask: YUP :) acadiel | DocSane: I have... it rocks ;) RMerlin | vog: he was joking of course :) AdamH | Doc: I was on the beta group Cappy | vog: You living around Chicago? EightBall | acadiel: Are you using an 8bitplane screen? vog | NyxEA: where was that? Foobar | acadiel: [pls wake up.. kolla | Multitask: aweb does it right.. even amosaic did it right.. but not voyager HammerD2 | nyx did you hack exec????? Commando | vog: do you answered my question on 23pin connectors at quikpac? acadiel | eightball: yep.. still faster than IBrowse ;) Multitask | koala: then write to Olli, if it's wrong, he'll fix it.. NyxEA | vog: West Chester Darkheart | .whois vog? NyxEA | HammerD2: Me? No. Commando | tachyon: :-) it will be fun .. . TheCrow_ | anyone tested any browser with series of 50 gif images? kolla | multitask: I plan to do so Commando | any SAS/C users out there at all? NyxEA | vog: I seem to remember you visiting once, but I could have imagined it. vog | Commando: yes. NyxEA | Perhaps for CDTV/CR stuff? Dunno. DocSane | I downloaded it tonight. Seems to be a lot better than IBrowse. EightBall | DocSane: Got it going right now! AdamH | Dark: vog is.. Carl Sassenrath kolla | multitask: its stupid cause its in the RFC acadiel | Docsane: I definately agree with ya there ;) DocSane | TheCrow: Try a browser on the cache loader page on the B5 Lurkers Guide. That has a ton of gifs. Foobar | Commando: I'm still using SAS/C Trib | 71 users! kolla | multitask: anyway, html3.2 is set now. :) AdamH | vog: Interesting nick; how did you choose it? egress | vog:the amiga will live, it has a sole vog | NyxEA: Ah..... a Commodorian! Hmmm. Do you work for scala now? RexxMast | night all Commando | vog: i must have missed it ... did you answer yes, no or maybe? :-) RMerlin | sole? Multitask | kolla: it may be.. and it's always possible that it's not in there because he can do it better/faster in V2 AdamH | egress: Sounds fishy to me AztecC | Cappy: we both live in CA on opposite sides of the central valley. Foobar | Darkheart: Uh.. yeah! DocSane | acadiel: Downloads files very well, is very quick at opening images. And it has a cache that actually WORKS! NyxEA | vog: No, Electronic Arts (Hence the nick) NyxEA | vog: I worked on the Envoy/AS225 stuff and on cd32's MPEG driver. vog | vog = VIScorp OS Guy... a secret alias. AztecC | AdamH: vog = VIScorp OS Guy Multitask | kolla: nope.. like I said, i don't know the code Foobar | msg commando SC myfile.c LINK AdamH | vog/aztec: Ah :) Tachyon_ | I like using Voyager to browse news groups (ie the one I just read.) though I still do Thor for all my binary groups. Cappy | AztecC: ahhh...bummer. vog | Commando: yes those 23 pin connectors are out there. venom_ | heheh :) Puer | : Landrius | Voyager has the slowest most annoying go back programming I've EVER seen on ANY browser. Puer | :) AztecC | Cappy: ??? Darkheart | the 060 cards are starting to actually look decently priced..... *hrmm* xterm | Where's the guru? xterm | ooooh Mr_Bill | and its' been 3 years since I used Amigas, so I have *no* clue as how to mount a PC-filesystem disk from my PC. Nameless | Anyone know anything about the PowerUP project from Pahse 5?? acadiel | Tachyon: I wonder how I can tell voyager to look at earlier articles vog | Rex: Ah. ok, send me mail. Want to hear more. DocSane | Landrius: I think that's because it reprocesses all pictures from the cache when going back. kolla | ordered lines Kosh2 | Hi all! Mr_Bill | I've got a freshly-installed A3000, 25mhz, 50mb HD, running 2.04 Darkheart | Mr_Bill: well if you have OS 3.x you don't need a clue HammerD | vog, do you do just software? or hardware too? DocSane | Landrius: On the plus side, unlike IBrowse, it doesn't frag my Chip Ram all to hell. Darkheart | mr_Bill... ahh... well get crossdos then Mr_Bill | Darkheart: I have no idea where to get 3.x around here. xterm | heh Cappy | AztecC: Was just curious if any of the VISCorp folks might be interested in the near future to come down to Champaign-Urbana, IL to talk to CUCUG about the Amiga and where they might be going with it. xterm | all the Undernet weenies came here after they heard vog was here RexOrient | vog: will do :) atleast now I know who to direct my mail to :-) AdamH | vog: When did VisCorp decide that it was worth using the existing Amiga technology instead of developing your own? Tachyon_ | acadiel: I dunno exactly what you mean. THough turning off Dump NNTP server option makes it useful fallous | xterm: weenie THIS, monkey boy ;) Multitask | kolla: hmmm... well.. like I said.. let him know.. he'll either fix it, wait for V2 to fix it , or tell you why he didn't do that Puer | :) Darkheart | Mr_Bill: NAN sells it Trib | Mr_Bill: You need Workbench 2.1 or higher, or CrossDOS to read PC floppies. acadiel | Tachyon_ ahh.. I'll try that Saiful | G'day mates vog | Hammer: I'm an EE, but try to stick with software. acadiel | saiful: goodday? what time is it? ;-) paulaM | hei saiful :) kolla | multitask: :) Saiful | acadiel, almost nine am! AztecC | Cappy: Talk to Flo, Bill Buck may very well if he's available. acadiel | saiful: ah.. it's almost 1AM ;) vog | AdamH: they had already developed hardware.... about three years ago. I wrote their OS. Saiful | xterm, ouch! Eetu | welcome back kosh Tachyon_ | acadiel: Err Dumb NNTP server actually, DOH acadiel | anyone know where I can get a SurfSquirrel in the US? dcowan | Does anyone know where I can get (FTP, Telnet) Voyager. ??? paulaM | saiful>> ouch! its almost 2am here :/ :) sunrise | adam: Colelctive caffeine AdamH | vog: How come the change of heart? acadiel | dcowan: I'm gonna write a mailscript for sendmail ;) and try www.vapor.com ;) Kosh2 | Not too many nicks I recognize anymore that aren't already from undernet ;o) Cappy | AztecC: Thx for the tip. Saiful | paulaM, just came to work. :-) Darkheart | Mr_Bill: well 2.04 is not significantly worse than 3.x anyways. just a bit slower and uglier Eetu | Hiya EXec AdamH | sunrise: Too many Jolt colas I guess... Darkheart | a lot uglier. sunrise | Adam: Grin Bagder | Exec! borph | all: anyone have version 12 of MUIMASTER.lib...? HammerD | dark: isn't 3.1 faster than 3.0 ? I think so... xterm | paulaM: get a Zip drive! venom_ | Heya Exec Eetu | Exec: no, not yet Darkheart | but there are hacks to make 2.04 look nicer vog | AdamH: Apps. They needed apps that could fit into a smaller amount of mem. RMerlin | Exec: Your creator is here :) Darkheart | Hammerd: I'm comparing 3.x to 2.04 sunrise | borph did you just install MUI 3.x? paulaM | xterm-- i need one badly... gotta keep piling up the mods :) NyxEA | vog: Heh, you sure don't see useful 5K binaries on too many other OS's these days do you? fallous | vog: I'm waiting on you guys to hire me. I think the letter might've got lost in the mail. _Swatch | re all Darkheart | I don't know if 3.1 is faster than 3.0. I'm using 3.0 Spot | vog: is it a REAL product yet (ED)? or is it still in the Testing stages? EightBall | Landrius: yeh it works funny sometimes HammerD | vog, wasn't your OS small and efficient as well? borph | sunrise... umm... a long time ago.. I have muimaster version 11.3xxx Exec | re Achiles, Bagder, Commando, Eetu, HammerD, RMerlin, sidewind, turtle, venom, zygo, Tachyon (phew, that took a while). NyxEA | (okay, 5K is a bit extreme...but I have a term program that's that small) _barron | Does anyone know where I can get (FTP, Telnet) Voyager. ??? venom_ | Hi Sibbster HammerD | Exec :) Commando | Exec: heheheheh. AdamH | AztecC: Feeling left out with all the questions being chucked at vog? :) _barron | cd .. zygo | Good evening, exec :) vog | NyxEA: that's the truth. I used to run motion video demos on CDTV that were 8kB. Spudboy | Someone should change the Topic. Exec | RMerlin: Yeah, I think I was here earlier when my creator signed on. acadiel | _barron: www.vapor.com Tachyon_ | Re exec vog | NyxEA: (the programs that is). venom_ | _barron: ftp.vapor.com Multitask | barron: it's on aminet now Puer | :) hi exec NyxEA | vog: Yeh...heh. I have a HD video player I wrote somewhere...It's a couple of K. Sibbster | re everyone Darkheart | vog: so tell us about PPC Amiga. JosefGV | danke Exec | re Puer AztecC | AdamH: hehe, I know nuthing, nutthiing! snapper2 | AztecC: So what's it really like working for the likes of Mr Sassenrath ? STMan | Mustang Charlie are you out there? paulaM | it may take time to catch up... amiga users have years worth of questions to ask :) HammerD | nyxea: the cd32 mpeg driver was pretty small also I think? xterm | Darkheart: maybe he doesn't give a damn about it Darkheart | xterm: I do. xterm | Nyx: whoa...steal that domain xterm | Darkheart: so? vog | AztecC: do you work for me? Spudboy | Vog: How is it that you wrote the best OS that there ever has been or will be? cowgirl- | howdy all Saiful | NyxEA, lemme guess: it uses console.device? AztecC | vog: I thought you worked for me! vog | paulaM: yes, years... and decades. NyxEA | Saiful: The term used console.device and serial.device paulaM | hi cowgirl venom_ | Hi cowgirs- Puer | hehehehehe Qwerty | Hello friends! AdamH | AztecC: Ever going to revive your C compiler? With SAS out of the picture, it looks like you might have a clean shot at the field :) vog | Spot: yes. But that is the old product. HammerD | oh no, cryo is back! :) venom_ | Hello Qwerty egress | vog:thanks for takeing the time for us ranters and ravers Cryo | hi HD. vog | AztecC: oooh. Good one. Aztec's Phoenix! Qwerty | re venom acadiel | jkay: thx.. why'd he de-op me? Tachyon_ | Geez, what a crowd. HammerD | Cryo- long time :) my WE still works great ;) NyxEA | Saiful: The HD player yanked data off the drive and DMA'd it right to the screen buffers, altho I never bothered to generate useful data for it. Always wanted to make it drive DCTV animations. Would have been cool. snapper2 | AztecC: I've heard he's a real slave driver, takes weekends off and makes the hired help slave away :) Commando | vog: i think the next Amiga system should have an MPEG unit of some sort (like the CD32 had seperatly).. paulaM | vog>> really... C= never gave much of a damn... even their alleged 800 number never picked up for me in all the years i tried to call it :/ Jkay | CRYO? jesus h christ on a pogo stick. vog | egress: hey, core group. Commando | vog: add an e to seperately. cowgirl- | SUNRISE ? Cryo | hey, if Carl can show up out of the woodwork, so can I ;-) Qwerty | Venom: arent you a member of a famous crackers group? sunrise | I'm here. I'm just... overwhelmed fallous | cryo: who let you out of the cage? Kosh2 | re Cryo AztecC | AdamH: My bandwidth is limited at the moment, but I have considered calling Manx and see if they'd let me have it! :) HammerD | cryo :) vog | Commando: did someone pay you to say that? It's my favorite line! HammerD | cryo, I remember when you used to kick me all the time, when i was a newbie :) venom_ | Qwerty: Crackers group? Commando | sunrise: everyone wants sunrise .. in the #wetsex, etc. channels :-) paulaM | commando>> that'd be cool... built in anti-flicker too AdamH | Aztec: It's not as if they're doign much with it at the moment :) acadiel | So nobody has seen a vendor with the SurfSquirrel in the US yet? ;) Commando | vog: hehehe ... :-) Jkay | Cryo kicked everyone all the time. Dont feel special, HD. fallous | heh HammerD | JK :) Qwerty | Venom: yeah, fairlight, melon design? Cryo | heh AdamH | Remind me, who was Cryo? My memory doens't stretch that far back :) AztecC | AdamH: Yeah, not since I sold my interest! :(( Darkheart | Commando: how about a read-write optical drive too? vog | paula! how funny, I used to call the 800 number too, and when it didn't pick up, I would call Irving to complain. Kind of silly, but every bit helped. Darkheart | everyone needs an optical drive Cryo | who _was_ Cryo? geez Cryo | I'm not dead Commando | paulaM: anti-flicker is not good when things move .. but do you mean in the MPEG playback or the system? AdamH | Cryo: :) cowgirl- | back Eetu | Querty: Melon Design ? Crackers group ? fallous | adamh: he's best known for calling Cyclone a bunghole during the CBM auction conference. oh yeah, he wrote scsi shit for the WE as well. ;) venom_ | Qwerty: Nope, I got a liking for venom and Spiderman, my son uses the nick spidey. :) JosefGV | haha Cryo | Bill Coldwell.. WarpEngine, CSA 40/4 Magnum, CSA 12 Gauge.. Cryo | etc etc Commando | darkheart: that would raise the price up a bit.. NyxEA | vog: So is the suggestion box at Viscorp still open? ;) Cryo | general neat guy Commando | darkheart: ah.. who gives a crap.. AdamH | fallous: The first I can sympathise with :) The latter could have hs a lower price tag Jkay | AdamH: cryo ... amiga oldbie, now passed beyond the Rim. RMerlin | NyxEA: Getting more hopefull about our baby so? ;) HammerD | cryo, damn that WE 060 hasn't come out yet! :) vog | AztecC: Are you planning a PPC version of Manx? paulaM | vog>> ha... 1-800-247-9000... i still remember it :) how sad is that?? :/ :) Cryo | JK, no.. we're Rangers now. Qwerty | eetu: okay lets say then Amiga Phreaks, thats better? JacobE | jkay: swallowed by the dark side Cryo | We're forming at the edge of the Rim for the New Amiga Tachyon_ | Oh THAT Cryo! Hi Bill NyxEA | RMerlin: You know, me. Mr. Cynical. sunrise | Docsane probably not. Is a viscorp person on the channel at the moment? AdamH | Doc: They like peanut butter is the only thing I can think of acadiel | DocSane: you should see the movement in FIDOnet AMIGA ;) vog | NyxEA: sure. Email though. NyxEA | Cryo: Wouldn't that be Shadows? ;) Cryo | heh, hi tachyon RMerlin | NyxEA: Sorry, I must have some McCoy in my blood these days ;) sunrise | Cryo Grin caldi | Cryo: So, you need a new ad "WE will WE will - rock you." :) NyxEA | vog: Okie dokie. fallous | cryo: I musta missed that memo Cryo | nyx, shhh AztecC | vog: Not likely, there's several in the works already! paulaM | i left mail at the elaffont box too AdamH | Caldi: When was the last time you made a good one then, eh? Eetu | Qwerty: yep ;) Darkheart | vog: is Phase5 working *with* AT on PPC amiga, or as some rumours have it 'in spite of' AT. RMerlin | caldi: Since it's so crowdy, why don't you take the opportunity of advertizing your FIne Product [tm]? :) xterm | Cryo is part of the Amiga Special Forced Qwerty | any AMIGA and PSX phreaks here? xterm | Forces DocSane | By the way, does anyone here know what a "proxy server" is and why I should set one on my web browser? caldi | AdamH: Um, last week. cleared the room... RMerlin | Jkay: This is The Gathering, we are going back :) vog | Snapper: what was that? Commando | jkay: !!!!! i am coming with you!!! don't let them take your fingerprints and put computer chips in your head! AztecC | Darkheart: :) fallous | xterm: I thought that was Special Ed Darkheart | DocSane: no you don't need one Cryo | Carl, get me, Steve Kelsey, Ken Dyke, you, Dale, and whomever else we can coax into it.. to design new Amiga _hardware_ and OS. sunrise | Docsane dont bother with them. THey'll mess you up Cryo | heh xterm | fallous: oh yeah Saiful | /kick #amiga noyb AUTOAWAY Multitask | Qwerty: nope.. no one here uses Amigas Tachyon_ | Cool, Cryo, Kelsey, and vog on the new Amiga team. Do it!! kolla | multitask: now.. sendt him a mail with clips from rfc1866 ;) Davo | MEOW! vog | mramiga: yes. Davo | peaches RMerlin | 37th kill... Commando | HAHA.. JosefGV | vog: It would be great if you would visit us here occasionally to keep us updated :) It's encouraging to see you here. mramiga | vog good Multitask | kolla: hehe.. AdamH | Persumable not Dale Larson unles you want the "Wild Thang" Amiga :) Tachyon_ | DocSane: If you can get to any web sites, you don't need a proxy fallous | cryo: could you stop messing with kali long enough to actually get some stuff done? ;) Cryo | no Larson Cryo | no Jackson vog | Jose: glad it helps. JosefGV | though the noise/signal ratio seems to be somewhat high at times :) HammerD | kelsey rules fallous | vog: although next time try /server innernet.org ;) venom_ | Hiya ushooz Kosh2 | Jeez, this is channel is every bit as noisy as it was when I first joined almost 4 years ago vog | Cryo: the smaller the team the better the OS. AdamH | Fallous: Nah, don't keep them all to yourselves :) Mordo | Hey Carl, glad to see ya Laire2 | darkheart: that was BEFORE Pedro Tschernobyl started his dirty tricks NyxEA | Cryo: I'll only agree if it's Objective-C and DO based. ;) RMerlin | vog: As long we get the Creme de la crme to work on it. Saiful | Kosh, what did you expect? HammerD | laire: haha. Puer | :) vog | Mordo: thanks Kosh2 | Glad I have a scrollback buffer. Darkheart | Laire!! fallous | adamh: they're mine, ALL MINE! muhahahahaha Cryo | vog, yes.. but I think we've all learned a lot from that lil' ol' 256k kernel ;-) kolla | hm... NyxEA | Anyone mentions C++ for it and I'd kill them. paulaM | and keep ibm lamers away from amiga... expecially pc-jr ones ;) Cryo | nope.. _MUST_ be Obj-C AdamH | fallous: until xterm /kicks them anyway :) Kosh2 | Saiful: I don't know, I've spent time on sabatical on undernet ;o) NyxEA | Cryo: 13k. 8000 lines of code. Cryo | this is the 19's xterm | someone shuttle vog over to the Innernet Cryo | er 90's NAN | $quit RMerlin | NyxEA: How about E? :) HammerD | nyx, exec is 13k? fallous | erf Exec | Bagder: Did you get my response to your dancer-list EMail ? fallous | E..huhuhuh Qwerty | pualua-m: PC-jr? Saiful | Kosh, oh yeah, that's the one where nobody says anything, right? NyxEA | HammerD: Actually, that was the 1.3 size. I think its larger now. I'd have to look. Saiful | Bagder's got a dancer-list? Jkay | GROWL ... bill sydnes grrrr Nuuz | the PC-jr was cool Ezy | JAVA!!! buahaha.. (evil laugh) NyxEA | 24k maybe? Jkay | KILL! Commando | nyxEA: i have the 3.1 rom file list :-) DocSane | Has there been any news from Pase 5 about the PPC project? kolla | anyone know if cygnusEd can edit files through the rexxport, without opening the gui? Foobar | Nuuz: The Tandy1000! Saiful | mramiga, just another net, no thanks. AdamH | Out of interest, why was Sydnes hired? Darkheart | Laire: is Phase5 still commited to PPC Amiga? vog | Those of you in the talent pool out there: if you are serious, please email me. I'll hold if for THE DAY. HammerD | syndes was evil Saiful | Somebody change the topic, please? NyxEA | Hold on, I'll go look. Trib | If you write it in Java, then Mac and Win people can use it..... :) acadiel | heh.. I hit the "read newsgroup list" button ;) mramiga | saiful alot better then thisone :) Cryo | exec rocks, even after all this time sunrise | Nyx: Would it be possible to write 'work alike' libraries that are native ppc for the dos-supplied libs? Kosh2 | Saiful: Not at all - people talking there all the time. larger signal/noise ratio though occasionally ;o) NyxEA | Cryo: It beats the shit out of Be's kernel. Jkay | Medhi Ali brought him in to reduce the production cost of the A500 .. the 600 is the result Commando | NyxEa: the Exec library,etc. are all around 100k.. work bench is 70k.. Spot | Hammderd: ohhh 'common the 600 was the BEST :) acadiel | i jet peple... later RMerlin | Exec does it's job in a damn efficient way, not trying to be fancy for no rrason, not kludged with crap. NyxEA | Commando: Exec is most certainly NOT 70k. It's only ~8000 lines of assembly code. Saiful | Kosh, yeah right :-) fallous | Nyx: quick, hit vog with the "unbundle the damned OS" argument before Laire exerts his evil influence. ;) HammerD | rmerlin, you think exec ported to PowerPC would be just as good? Ezy | somewhat, altho exec also likes to crash during development :-) gish | c-ya Laire2 | Darkheart: sure:-) RMerlin | HammerD: If done WELL, of course! Kosh2 | Saiful: I did say 'occasionally' ;o) Cryo | hey, come on now.. let's not bring this party down by talking about certain ex-Commdore employees vog | 13K plus. Nuuz | oooh yeah, a Tandy 1000, 640k, 2 360k drives, a dot matrix printer, the dream system (of 1984) Saiful | Kosh, once in a violet moon? :-) Commando | NyxEA: 23 pops out of my mind .. vog | Of course, you could take out ROMWACK. Mordo | vog: Can something similar to the "SCARAB" that Dave Haynie was working on at CBM become a reality? vog | And the printf stuff. Kosh2 | Saiful: Violent moon more like ;o) RMerlin | vog: It's now SAD :) AdamH | I heard that CAOS had a few problems? Other than being unfinished, what were they? (Just curious) Commando | vog: i like ROMWACK... NyxEA | Commando: Sounds about right. Darkheart | laire: is there any information available on progress? Saiful | Kosh, hahhah, that thought crossed my mind, too. :-) kolla | lynx rules NyxEA | vog: I think that got nuked and replaced with SAD for 3.0 didn't it? vog | RMerlin: what is sad. Nuuz | God bless Jack Tramiel - the C-64 king RMerlin | vog: The new debugger since 3.0. Kosh2 | Saiful: So I guess mama pretty much died out here? Commando | NyxEA: if the Amiga 500 was boot up i would be able to print the entire ROM directory listing up ... :-) Qwerty | thanx exec, ill find my own door:-) Qwerty | Offcourse I'm using Windows9@$#^...............(CLICK) NyxEA | vag: It's a new debugging interface Sinz added for 3.0 RMerlin | vog: System AMiga Debugger or something like that. vog | Commando: No, I didn't mean take it out. I meant that's part of the 13K. NyxEA | vag: Let you patch into it and debug over the net...was cool. cowgirl- | not all of us use amiga cowgirl- | that's the greatest part NyxEA | babylon5> ls -l *.ld.strip NyxEA | -rw-r--r-- 1 kcd 14560 Mar 5 1995 exec.ld.strip Commando | NyxEA: how do you use SAD? Never figured it out ... it sits there and sends SAD?SAD? over the nullmodem RMerlin | vag: You should really get the 3.1 NDK one of these days :) paulaM | i love my amiga :) HammerD | nyx: wassat Jkay | exec Nuuz | amiga os needed to be more ROM dependent, i hate accessing the disk so it can figure out what to do when you ask it to load something NyxEA | hammerD: Exec's .o file effectively. Laire2 | dark: expect a BIG announcement this month Commando | vog: oh :-) RMerlin | vog: You should really get the 3.1 NDK one of these days :) NyxEA | oops, vog. ;) vog | RMerlin: from where? NDK? HammerD | rmer: if AT would release it... NyxEA | Vag...heh...been playing with the PSX too much. RMerlin | vog: Native Developper Kit. Jkay | NUUZ: 'resident' AdamH | Nyx: Hope you don't want to work with/for him now :) HammerD | nyx: what's the psx kernel like RMerlin | vog: AT should have them, tho they ain't available yet. Commando | Vog: what about something like Snoopdos with the next AmigaOS update? NyxEA | HammerD: It sucks rocks. HammerD | laire, delays ? RMerlin | vog: It's always "real soon now". kolla | snoopdos is a must Nuuz | residential, commercial, whatever. ushooz | NyxEA: Better than the Saturn thoe :) Darkheart | Laire2: hope so! Tachyon_ | Laire2: BIG good, or BIG bad? ;') HammerD | commando, snoopdos rules. NyxEA | ushooze: Yeah, but with the Saturn you can at least throw out the OS and write your own. YOu can't with the PSX. Mordo | Are shadows for the workbench windows possible? Darkheart | hey anyone wanna design a CPU card switcher for the A4000? RMerlin | vog: Or ask anyone here to ship youu the Autodocs V40. Commando | hammerd/kolla: i agree fully.. Laire2 | Tachyon: well...guess what Trib | Shadows are evil! kolla | anyone checked out html3.2 ? Jkay | nuuz: ... um .. make the commands you MOST USE resident in RAM .. no disk access. ushooz | nyxEA: Very true. I guess a co like EA has the resources to do that :) AdamH | vog: Reckon AT/VISCorp will be able to procduce a low cost PPC equivalent of the 1200? NyxEA | Tachyon: Sell your Amiga right now, while it's still worth something. ;) Achilles | Anyone know if the ASDG Ethernet Card will handle 10baseT? vog | Attention: an idea I would like to bounce around: What do you think about posting all this developer stuff on the net? NyxEA | ushooz: We _could_, doesn't mean we have. ;) Commando | vog: the autodocs should not be charged to obtain ... .. fallous | vog: brilliant RMerlin | vog: All the way! Darkheart | VOG: YESYESYES!!!!!!!!! NyxEA | vog: Very good idea. Darkheart | oops AdamH | vog: Yes. Good idea JosefGV | VOG: YES RMerlin | vog: That's what we need: DEVELOPPERS. NyxEA | vog: Be is doing that now. Mordo | vog:Yes, please! Kosh2 | vog: That idea was tossed about by AT too, and it SHOULD be done Tachyon_ | NyxEA: Never, it's always worth something to me at least Darkheart | do I get kicked now? mramiga | Vof VERY GOOD IDEA Achilles | vog: Yes Commando | vog: YES! ushooz | Vog: Please do JosefGV | Vog: it can't hurt in ANY way. It will only bring MORE developers mramiga | er vog vog | In other words: everything is out there... dynamic, updated, current. RMerlin | NyxEA: A bright idea of Be I'd say. paulaM | sounds cool to me :) Liam2 | vog: just do it :) NyxEA | Tachyon: It was sarcasm in light of Laire's comment. ;) RMerlin | NyxEA: I really like the way they instaled theyr Web site. HammerD | vog: oui (getting your french ready :) Multitask | I say NO... JUST KIDDING kolla | hm.. what did vog say ? NyxEA | RMerlin: Their ONLY one, too. ;) Darkheart | hey... I suggested that. do I get royaltees? vog | Sounds like you like it. Darkheart | ;) HammerD | laire: you can say "ja" :=) RMerlin | NyxEA: Eh. kolla | what?? what?? Puer | hehehehehe :) Tachyon_ | vog: GREAT idea. GIVE away all Amiga developer tools. It'd only help Ami kolla | tell me!! :) Darkheart | Vog YES!! Mordo | vog: I could actually start my own development on stuff and have my own support with everything out there... Puer | yay :) Commando | i am having a hard time spelling tonight .. paulaM | amiga needs more developers... too many are sitting on their hands since C= dive-bombed :( RMerlin | vog: AT are already supposed to put up an FTP site. zygo | vog: As a former Commodore developer/dealer, I'd like to see as much information as we can get. Nuuz | Amiga needs to be compatible with the industry standard of today.....the Sony PSX Saiful | Wow I'm lagged. vog | Liam2: (actually, I was trying to get VIScorp to post sources for all the devs an libs too, but they said NO. ) RMerlin | vog: but as usual, things are progressing VERY slowly :( NyxEA | Nuuz: No, it doesn't. Commando | *EPIXadmin* *** ATTENTION.. BOTH SERVERS ARE GOING DOWN IMMEDIATELY *** <-- er... ? NyxEA | Nuuz: The playstation and Amiga have NOTHING in common. ushooz | Nuuz: Go home :) mramiga | Nuuz: th3e amiga is not a games machine AztecC | vog: While you're at it you might want to see if anyone wants the job administering it, hehe! Eetu | COmmando: change servers NyxEA | vog: To the OS itself? Saiful | Commando, you lose. :-) JosefGV | well I don't know about the source to ALL the libs, we don't want 200 custom OS's out there :) Liam2 | vog: aghrrr... why not? Nuuz | the amiga of tommorow is not necessarily the amiga of yesterday Puer | We need new Amiga's and support... so I can open my damn Amiga shop :) DocSane | MrAmiga: As is evidenced by the stunning dearth of games for it. RMerlin | Posting OS source would be a bad idea. NyxEA | vog: I shudder to think of Jim Drew getting ahold of OS source. ;) RMerlin | I can see all those unsupported hacks appearing... Eeeek! Kosh2 | re oleg vog | NyxEA: that was the idea. A lynx kind of deal. Spot | quit NyxEA | vog: Ah. ushooz | Nuuz: neither is the PSX Achilles | Nyx: hehehehe... mramiga | Doc: games are jsut games JosefGV | Now most of the libraries would not be a bad idea.. but keep intuition, exec, and such all private :) Saiful | There goes irc.epix.net. oleg_ | re paulaM | re... this is no time for my server to dump me :/ Puer | re paula AdamH | Vog: When's proper resource tracking going to make its way into AmigaDOS? DocSane | MrAmiga: True, but most people would rather run them than a word processor or a rendering engine. Darkheart | posting OS source would be a cool idea. IMHO oleg_ | best SUCKS :) venom_ | re paulaM NyxEA | vog: I suppose that's good and bad. ushooz | try irc.neosoft.com 6665 to 6667 caldi | vog: Unless it was an organized effort, it could end up going in to many incompatible directions... paulaM | hi puer & venom Nuuz | try mindijari.dal.net 6667 Darkheart | but OS source is not necessary... just the technical information,. RKM's etc Commando | ahhh.. back.. NyxEA | vog: As long as there was some group of people "in charge of it", coordinating development and releases, it'd be okay. NyxEA | vog: Like how NetBSD and such are handled. NyxEA | vog: Otherwise it could turn into a mess. Nuuz | is amiga selling well in germany? vog | NyxEA. You got it. JosefGV | Nyx: true Ezy | what? thinking of turning amigados into a public project? vog | But, that option is history now. So don't get your hearts set on it. NyxEA | vog: If nothing else, releasing it would probably help to clean it up a bit. NeoDinian | RMerlin: The channel is all F^#ked up now.. :( snapper2 | caldi: But next you you could be crying for it. Kosh2 | re Jkay snapper2 | caldi: But next year you could be crying for it. Commando | Workbench source would be nice >:-) Kosh2 | Jkay: (just noticed you were here too ;o) Nuuz | lots of amiga games and applications on the software shelves over in old Deutchland, i suppose NyxEA | vog: The downside would be keeping people from hacking the OS to suit their own product's needs... (like Emplant, etc.) mramiga | a re writen workbench that multitasks would be nice JacobE | nyx: put jeremy in charge of it :) RMerlin | AztecC: Too many cooks spoils the meal. AdamH | RMerlin: Broth. Not meal :) fallous | Nyx: this is starting to sound suspiciously like a discussion we had about future AmigaOS developed ala Linux ;) RMerlin | AdamH: In french, it's the "sauce" we say :) Laire2 | vog: so you basicly say...Viscorp gives you a present to shut up that they have no interest working on own Amiga "computer" development....is that a good interpretation ? Saiful | OzDuDe, why put Java in the OS? RMerlin | NyxEA: That's also my fear. Nuuz | its only been a year and a half since escom bought it, surely they have started mass production of their low end unit NyxEA | vog: Perhaps someday Viscorp could make the source available when they no longer need it, or wish to provide it for educational use. Commando | Saiful: Why not just write the ENTIRE OS in java??? :-) Tachyon_ | JAVA in the OS, DOH! Mordo | vog: Keep OS development within VIScorp/AT, but release everything needed for application development to Amiga public. Commando | saiful: that would really speed up operations by -%32329327 .. vog | This is getting somewhat difficult to keep up with.... any way to switch to a moderated channel? JosefGV | duh OzDuDe | Saiful: becaus MS are doing it and it's truly "cross platform" amongst other things. The Amiga is also a perfect deveopment platform for Java Apps as it is. RMerlin | vog: Could be arranged. Commando | vog: maybe create a new one .. vog | Laire: no one buys me like that. AdamH | vog: I'd recommend opening up a new channel for that mramiga | oof RMerlin | I'll tell Darx to not touch it, wait. vog | RMerlin: thanks. Jkay | ok .. who's moderating? Bagder | rmerl: you change mode instead vog | Whew. That was getting crazy. JosefGV | Jkay: you go :) RMerlin | Bagder: I did. Bagder | rmerl: status 20+ ppl are allowed to change it Jkay | oh hell .. it's 2am; I'd normally do it, but I'm bushed vog | Ok, what now? RMerlin | We need a question taker. RMerlin | Who wants to take the question? vog | RMerlin: I'll take it if you like. Laire2 | vog: sorry..but that would be the most logical explanation Jkay | vog: normally, someone would volounteer to take a queue of names, and then announce "who's next" to ask a question RMerlin | vog: Would be easier to have one person getting them and submitting them. fallous | Cryo has a well-known track record for being patient and understanding with questioners. let him do it RMerlin | vog: Makes less traffic, and easier for you to manage. vog | ok. Just let me know. Never done this. Laire2 | rmerl: haha:-)) JacobE | acutally, this would all be better if there was an announced conference/etc. kind of rude to just takeover #amiga like this vog | Pretty cool how the channel went quiet. zygo | Shouldn't a seperate channel be set up for a conference so that this channel isn't interrupted? Fastlane | fallous: hahaha.. ala bunghole? fallous | fastlane: why yes, that was just the incident I had in mind HammerD | only operators can talk now. vog | That is what I was thinking. Perhaps we should move off frequency slightly. Multitask | I agree with zygo mramiga | #viscorp venom_ | zygo is right. :) RMerlin | zygo Has a good idea. Jkay | sounds good. Greebo | yep, I agree with that too. venom_ | Hi Greebo Jkay | split off, and join #viscorp SmknDHerb | thanks zygo :) Greebo | hi venom vog | QSY. Greebo | cheers zygo zygo | You're welcome, guys :) RedDomino | Might you know where I could get the src to rz/sz? RedDomino | What is Exec? Commando | arggg. wrong channel HammerD | vog: type /join #viscorp mramiga | vog join #viscorp kolla | something wonderfull Exec | RedDomino: It is me, and also the root of the Amiga OS. AdamH | Numbers in #viscorp are slowly climbing... kolla | too bad.. still no tag in html3.2 :/ RedDomino | Hrmm....vog = programmer with Viscorp, I take it? Tachyon_ | kolla: why? HammerD | red: vog = original amiga team member, he wrote exec, the amiga's kernel. Eetu | kolla: I think is in 3, but haven't seen it implemented anywhere :( HammerD | red: now he works for VISCorp. RedDomino | Now I follow. kolla | hm.. I read from w3.org here .. no Darkheart | who is going to moderate #viscorp? Eetu | kolla: oh. Tachyon_ | wouldn't be really usefull anyway. Since you cannot choose the typeface used by the browser, it's results would sidewind | WOOF! kolla | Tachyon: well... Eetu | Tach: well used with discretion it would be nice. amino | Tach: Use a fixed-width font RedDomino | SideWind: That newest mod from Aminet is nice! ;) Eetu | Tach: Of course some would produce uuugly pages with it. Foobar | Justlike? Tachyon_ | amino: that's the point. You cannot force the client browser to use a particular font. sidewind | RedDomino: thanks kolla | Tachyon: fixed size in tabs and an option to choose the length of it Saiful | Umm, we lost +m? Eetu | Saiful : on purpose. the conf is on #viscorp Saiful | Eetu, goodie. kolla | Tachyon: hehe.. with .. explorer you can =) kolla | Tachyon: windings is a cool font :) Tachyon_ | kolla: explorer BAH Saiful | Eetu, thought that it's be a bit stupid to stop the chatter altogether just because of some conference. sunrise | Eetu what conf? Eetu | sunrise: Carl Sassenrath there kolla | Tachyon: I know .. thats what I mean, put in the tag that let you decide the font for explorer, and let it point to use windings, hehe =) Tachyon_ | kolla: And I'm not positive Explorer implements it yet either, I just think they proposed it kolla | no other browser will care but explorer.. Achilles | Hmmm... 52 users in #viscorp now... HammerD | join #VIScorp !!!! :) Tachyon_ | kolla: Yeah you could really screw with Explorer people. Serves them right too AdamH | 55 _Swatch | Achilles: 55! :) kolla | hehe :) Achilles | Swatch: Yep... Cappy | whee! Conference time! GA ;) _Monk_ | bbl HammerD | shit i gotta work tomorrow :( AdamH | Too many channops screw up the conf :) New channel: #VIScorp * | _Swatch thinks that with AztecC working for VIScorp, there'll be no more updates to SAS C... ;) damH\#amiga | Eeek. Long, long line from Nyx. vog | Ok. Well, actually, the JAVA reply is a long one. vog | I see we lost Merlin.... Is he coming back? JacobE | vog: i think he'll try, i know he wanted to ask you a question :) vog | Ok. vog | So, on to JAVA, or to Nyx questino? JacobE | vog: ozdude would like to know about JAVA vog | (I kind of like that typo... questino. Would be a good product name. No?) -- | kscully3 is now known as kscully. vog | Ok. JAVA is important. vog | But, JAVA is by no means a success yet. vog | I've been coding interpreters longer than OSs. vog | VideoStream (my last company) had an interpreter at its core. It was called MIME. vog | Not the MIME you are thinking of. vog | Machine Independent Multimedia Environment. vog | So does that sound a bit like JAVA.... it should. vog | I wrote that interpreter back in the CDTV days... it was a variant on another language of mine, an fully object oriented vog | language called ABL. vog | The problem with ABL was one of performance. vog | What I needed for CDTV whas real-time scripting. vog | So MIME was born... actually about the same time Gosling was creating OAK, the proto for JAVA. vog | The concept behind MIME or JAVA is very good. vog | A virtual machine model that can run on anything. vog | Just think, you can put code on the net or on a CDROM that would be machine independent. vog | Problem is, software these days tries to solve everone's problems. vog | It does not focus on just one element or domain of a solution. vog | It tries to be general purpose.... and as such it become brittle. vog | It gets complicated, hard to understand, hard to maintain.... Nyx | Like C++? ;) (Sorry, couldn't resist) vog | Ok, so back to JAVA. vog | Yes, like C++!!!! vog | (I have another complete story about C+- at apple... for some later date). vog | The bottom line: JacobE | queue: rmerlin, nyxea, mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot vog | If JAVA brings apps, we will see to it that JAVA is on the system. But, Cryo | C++ sucks vog | I am not so sure yet. vog | Take a look at the rise of HTML. vog | Look at the rate of change. vog | If a language does not gather speed within a year or two C/#viscorp) | or any of a number of MicroSoft products! vog | it is probably doomed to a struggle. Smalltalk is a perfect example. Nyx | Or Objective-C (sigh) vog | (sorry for the typos, I am typing all this on an A1200, and my hands are not used to it). vog | So that is the way of languages. JAVA has a few more months. But JacobE | vog: no problem :) vog | if you compare it to HTML, it has only accomplished .001 percent of the acceptance and widespread use. vog | I don't think it was quite the right solution. What the net vog | needed was something much simpler. Something like my old MIME. vog | Oh well, that's history. GA JacobE | queue: rmerlin, nyxea, mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8 JacobE | rmerlin: your turn :) RMerlin | vog: AT recently fired a lot of employes. I heard it's standard procedures before the new owner comes in, so they can hire back who they want. RMerlin | vog: Now, do you think that some current VisCorp employes (like you) who already knows a great deal about the Amiga might step in and take an aactive part in direct Amiga R&D? GA. vog | Yes... I think that will happen. I don't know what VIScorp has promised AT and its employees. But I don't vog | think we can endure having too many chiefs running the show. vog | Does that answer your question? JacobE | queue: nyxea, mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8* RMerlin | vog: Yes, Thanks :) JacobE | nyx: you're up :) Nyx | (I'll paste my Q. this in digestable chunks) Nyx | oops Nyx | It would seem that AmigaOS would lend itself well to building cheap Nyx | Internet terminals that just so happen to be able to use hard disks Nyx | and run applications available via a cable/Internet connection. It Nyx | would seem though that you would need more power than a 680x0 processor Nyx | could provide if you want to do Web related stuff, and thus a low-end Nyx | PowerPC system would need to be developed, or alternately, custom Nyx | hardware acceleration for things such as JPEG. Do you see an Amiga Nyx | based "set top" system as more of an Internet terminal which acts Nyx | amazingly like a home computer, or as only an interactive TV device, Nyx | or both? It would be nice to see an affordable low-end "computer" Nyx | market re-emerge, even if it's not sold as a "computer" per se. Nyx | P.S. Would you agree that adding multi-processor support would be Nyx | nearly impossible? I've gotten into that argument more times than Nyx | I care to think about, and want it settled once and for all. ;) Nyx | GA Phase5 | firing Pedro Tschernobyl would be my first action if i would be Viscorp CEO...:-) -- | Phase5 is now known as Laire. Laire | personal opinion vog | Ok... vog | Yes, the box is underpowered with a 680x0.... but... the cost of the box is critical.... Nyx | (You need $15 PowerPC 602's or something) ;) vog | I think it will be much more like an internet "terminal" (I don't like that word because that is a limitation of HTML, not the internet) vog | but also a simple computer device for sending messages, playing games, reading news, etc. vog | Remember, most of our target audience is consumers, not producers. vog | ... scrolling back... Nyx | (I.e., not just a trackball hand-held controller with a game console looking box, I'd assume) vog | Affordable... that is the correct word. Yes, if you can get a box under $300 US, something vog | magic happens. The US is primed for this to happen. Everything you vog | watch on TV now runs a www.name.com during its presentation. If you watch vog | the news here locally, every channel is pushing its web site constantly... Nyx | Yeah, as if 80% of the people in the US are connected or can afford to be. And they can't, which is sad. vog | if you watch the net news, ABC, NBC, CBS, all of them do the same. vog | I've got a little story, short.... vog | I've got some masons working on the rockwork for my house. vog | They've been working on it for several weeks now, and we've gotten to chatting. vog | They asked what I did. vog | I simply told them: "You know that www stuf you see on TV every night? Ever wonder what it was?" vog | Immediately, smiles. All of them. They want the box. They don't own computers. vog | So, if our marketing can reach them, we might have a chance to succeed. vog | Did I cover your entire question? Nyx | Yeah, except for the SMP part. ;) vog | *Also, am I taking too long in these replies? Nyx | A simple "yes" or "no" would suffice on that one. ;) vog | What was that? Multiprocessor support? Nyx | vog: yeah. It sorta breaks the entire MT model. Nyx | Definitely breaks exec. vog | Yes, exec would need to change for that. not impossible, just needs some hardware support. If you have vog | any kernel of "disabling" or "serializing" you can make it work. vog | But. vog | The cost of mp is much too high for a low end box. However, I would like to vog | see it in a high end Amiga. vog | If the OS has to be rewritten, might as well add that. vog | GA Nyx | Interesting. Seems like Forbid()/Permit()'s entire concept is flawed for SMP. JacobE | queue: mramiga, silvergls, mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper Nyx | But for a rewrite that could be fixed. vog | Yes. But that is common in OS design. Nyx | Thanks. Nyx | vog: AS for reply length, maybe a bit shorter, or longer lines. ;) mramiga | Will we see a real attempt at marketing the COMPLETE LINE OF AMIGA COMPUTER in the USA.. not some half hearted attempt or no attempt at all. IE aggresive priceing, mramiga | support for graphic cards and true 24 bit on the WB?.. and is the Amiga checkmark gonna be brought back? like uh GA and stuff vog | You need that little kernel of non-preemptino. vog | Sometimes it is a processor instruction... or in the Amiga's case, an accident in the chip design (bet you didn't know that). Nyx | Accident? Heh, I'd love to hear about it sometime. Not now tho. vog | Ok, mramiga..... let me read question.... Laire | vog: why do you think a consumer of such internet box would accept a not real display of the web pages he want to access....web pages in 256 colours is a bad joke today(let's ignore the slowness of AA at the moment).... Laire | If i would a consumer of such box i would demand that documents are shown in the same quality they are produced vog | Hold on Laire. Mramiga: vog | I've had to think about how to answer this question, mramiga. vog | VIScorp is not a big company. vog | If it succeeds in what is trying to achieve, it will likely partner or merge with a larger company that will bring money to the USA marketing. vog | On the technical questions... yes, those are important. RTG related. vog | I don't know about the checkmark. There is a marketing person at VIScorp. vog | He will make that decision... with perhaps some of our influence. ;) mramiga | Well in my opinon and many others if you cant grab at least a minor part of the US market then you shouldnt even try. and just let the amiga die vog | Markets don't happen that way. vog | Take a look at anything.... CD, CDROM, PCs. They all grow. vog | They start small and build. That's what will happen here, if VIScorp can get a good partner. vog | And, I should say that MANY big companies are interested in us. vog | GA JacobE | queue: mordo, sunrise, lostman, kosh, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong JacobE | mordo: you' JacobE | mordo: your turn :) Mordo | The Questinos Are: Will future Amigas be SVGA friendly and not require an expensive and rare multiscan monitor (I hate NTSC boot screens)? And will most of the hardware accessories (disk drives, hard disk, etc) be standard pc fair, no vog | JacobE: didn't Laire have a question before this? JacobE | vog: laire asked out of turn vog | Oh... ok. Mordo: vog | I'm all for bringing down the prices of hardware as they relate to the Amiga. vog | I think there are a couple ways to accomplish this. And VIScorp is considering them. -- | _Tachyon is now known as Tachyon_. -- | AztecC_ is now known as AztecC. -- | ushooz2 is now known as ushooz. vog | I think the PPC has a lot of applicatons in a high end Amiga as well. vog | It would be good to see it with several processors, if the memory configuraton can be made to work. (Keep in mind that vog | parallel processors don't buy you anything if they cannot run at the same time. This is done by caching vog | main memory or by interleaving it. vog | Also: Don't forget Amdal's (sp?)rule of parallel processing. vog | GA X-isle | what exactly is Anti Gravity Products?? I have a 1200 030/40 sunrise | what is amdahls rule? vog | Sunrise: I'm not sure... my clock is broken ;) sunrise | Vog: Grin :) JacobE | queue: lostman, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong AztecC | hehe vog | The rule is fundamental: if you've got two processors, the largest gain will be vog | 2 times. But most of the time, due to overhead, and serial code/events, you get less that 2 times. So... vog | if you consider the cost of the extra processor, it might be better to invest in vog | faster memory or better caches, as they might yield better improvement in performance. Parallel vog | processing is not new to me. It has been on of my favorite hobbies/jobs since the early 80's. At Apple vog | I was writing my OS for a 4 processor CPU that shared a very large interleaved cache. vog | It was as fast as a cray. vog | GA JacobE | queue: lostman, antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong JacobE | lostman: your turn Lostman | vog: What plans (if any) are there about users and user group support. Will QuickPak be resposible for that? Will they be doing the marketing *for now*? There is some consern about VISCorp going up aginst the big boys Lostman | Vog: lastly... Lostman | I have a marketing buisness proposal to make to viscorp. Who should I contact? I Assume that the aquisition of AT is vog | No, actually the AT deal is still in the works... or I vog | So far your questions have been good, general technical and vog | but given you things to consider. With regard to QuickPak, vog | There are a lot of sensitive issues on things like that, and it is not my area of the company. vog | With regard to general support, I am hoping to see that happen over the net. As we discussed earlier tonight. vog | As for the big boys.... -- | c958316 is now known as Archie. vog | How often have you seen them succeed? Was Netscape a big boy? vog | History gives us hope. The big boys are always slow off the block. vog | GA Lostman | thanx. JacobE | queue: antigrav, x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong JacobE | ok, antigrav has left the building vog | Oh, ... on the business proposals: you can send them to Bill Buck at VIScorp. JacobE | queue: x-isle, d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong vog | Regular mail is probably best. JacobE | so has x-isle :) vog | GA JacobE | vog: if you want to give the address/fax, go right ahead :) JacobE | queue: d_pilot, fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong JacobE | vog: i have about a 40 sec lag to you vog | VIScorp, 111 North Canal Street, Suite 933, Chicago IL 60606 USA. AztecC | www.vistv.com :) JacobE | fair enough :) JacobE | d_pilot: ok, your turn :) -- | MELETH is now known as [_V^C^M_]. D_Pilot | I was going to ask about user group support, but lostman beat me to it, unless you have anything to add to that. It would be nice to see an improvemnt in usergroup relations. GA vog | Lostman: Bill is the best person to send them to. David works on new markets.... so if that makes sense, send it to him as well. vog | GA vog | Yes, user groups need a lot more support than what they have been getting. It is a good way to leverage the effort and distribution vog | of information. vog | GA JacobE | queue: fntc, u4ia-f8*, stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong JacobE | fntc: your turn :) Fntc | I'm still preparing my question, I'll go after U4ia. vog | (JacobE: how do I kill the Join messages? AmIRC.) JacobE | vog: i don't think you can in amirc vog | Ah, a flaw. vog | AztecC: how you holding up? Am I going to get fired? JacobE | vog: myself, i just have server messages a dim color :) AztecC | where's my notebook? join messages... JacobE | ok, u4ia couldn't stay, but he wanted to ask... JacobE | vog, u4ia wanted to know what improvements would be made to the audio system on the amiga (he's a musician) vog | AztecC: I expect they are being joined as we speak. I expect to read them in the WSJ this morning. AztecC | Heh, I'm on Texas now, 0 second lag to vog! JacobE | ah he's back :) U4ia-F8 | ta U4ia-F8 | hi vog, U4ia-F8 | As a 'musician' i am always interested in the sound aspects of computers U4ia-F8 | the amiga sound chip is way out of date now vog | Good deal. BTW: AztecC is Jim Goodnow, author of Manx Aztec C and many other Amiga programs, another VIScorp software guru, and an old friend. U4ia-F8 | what plans are there for upgrades? etc.. U4ia-F8 | ie. 8 bit don't cut it anymore. vog | Ok, back to U4ia: vog | Yes, Amiga audio has been out of date for too many years. The original designer of the vog | audio chip, Glen Keller, completely updated the audio system about five years ago. he vog | swung by the mountain and told me about his upgrades. Very nice. But, they never were manufactured for reasons that only Commodore can know. U4ia-F8 | i heard it was only 2 channels of 16 bit though U4ia-F8 | surely that is ridiculous is this day and age vog | What can we do? Fix it! We have to... but it will take time. (I had not heard that... two channels. I would vog | find it easy to believe, however... keeping the DMA channels as the are). But vog | it does not matter much now. If the PPC happens, all of this will be addressed. vog | . vog | GA JacobE | vog: just as a side note, a few people have asked if the plans for the upgraded audio exist anywhere :) vog | (whoops.... who can tell that I'm an old unix emailer). Fntc | Am I clear to go? :-) JacobE | just a sec vog | Probably in the archive held in Trenton. U4ia-F8 | vog: sorry about this. JacobE | u4ia would like to comment to the last comment :) U4ia-F8 | basiccly all you just said was this U4ia-F8 | "when the amiga turns into a PC, the sound will be sorted" U4ia-F8 | ie. shove a soundcard in like everyother pc user U4ia-F8 | so surely the Amiga is damned? vog | No, stop. Stop. U4ia-F8 | ok. vog | PC sound cards are for the birds. vog | But, there are a LOT of good chips out there that don't end up on mainstream PC sound cards. vog | I would guess that those might be worth consideration for future machines. vog | GQA vog | GA -- | sascman is now known as SASCMan. JacobE | fntc: when you're ready :) Fntc | OK Fntc | Vog - Several questions. Fntc | 1) It has become apparent that the current VISCorp hierarchy intends to use AGA in their set-top box. Unfortunately as we all know, AGA is rather sluggish, especially when hi-res hi-color modes start sucking DMA time. One possible solution JacobE | (not too many :) Fntc | itself, would be to clock the CHIP bus at a higher but synchronous rate, giving more bandwidth over to the CPU, while having custom PALs handles AGA's DMA Fntc | itself, would be to clock the CHIP bus at a higher but synchronous rate, giving more bandwidth over to the CPU, while having custom PALs handle AGA's communication with the CHIP bus. This would only break software that didn't count on CHIP Fntc | amount of time. Fntc | 2) At the WOA show in London, the VISCorp representative wasn't exactly inspiring. After reading transcripts of the conference I find that the heckling wasn't entire unwarranted. What the heck was going on there? Fntc | 3) VISCorp has recently made rumblings about p-os. This concerns me. While p-os has some similarities to AmigaOS (as well as some compatibilty), it doesn't appear to be as comprehensive as AmigaOS 3.1, let alone what AmigaOS should be. Fntc | AmigaOS in favor of p-os? While this might certainly make a good set-top box, IMHO it would not be a step forward for the Amiga. Fntc | 4) Can we come visit the VISCorp offices in Chi-town? :-) Fntc | GA vog | Can you clock the CHIP bus faster without revising the chips? Isn't there a slew time limit on the internal driving transistors? Nyx | You run into other issues with running higher clock rates, like sync timing registers in ECS/AGA start to overflow. Fntc | vog - I mean, SEPERATE the CHIP bus from AGA (sort of like what was done with AAA) Nyx | Spencer shanson spent a LOT of time fixing problems with AGA on DoubleNTSC modes....it's a nightmare. Fntc | vog - Not an actual bandwidth increase of AGA itself. Only the CPU would get extra bandwidth. Nyx | (just some sidebars from watching the gfx guys work on AGA at C=) -- | Nyx is now known as NyxEA. vog | If it can be done with existing chips, I would like to hear more about it. Please email me separately, soon, and we can consider it. vog | Ok, on to 2) vog | I wasn't at WOA, but I did read about it. Bill is trying to walk a careful line right now. Many things are up in the air. vog | I think he's just being extra careful, as this is a critical time and we could lose a lot. vog | Question 3): vog | As far as I know, it would have to go through me first... and I have heard zero about it. vog | As you can guess, if we are going to hop to a different OS implementation it vog | would get major examination and a critical eye from me. (Where does this info vog | get started? Perhaps from the P-OS folks?) JacobE | (i think that was rhetorical) JacobE | but fntc wants to answer Fntc | vog - From Viscorp's web page. vog | 4) finally, sure. But you won't see much there. The rest of us are hidden away.... AztecC | A truly distributed company :) JacobE | queue: stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong vog | *waiting for fntc... Fntc | vog I'm through. vog | Oh... what was that about our web page? Fntc | vog - That's where the P-os rumour got started (the page was casually mentioning P-OS) vog | RanXeroX: Really.... what part of Xerox? vog | Fntc: where??? Fntc | vog - I'll have to go check later. :-) Of course maybe the whole thing is a figment of my diseased imagination (I could've SWORN I saw it mentioned on vistv though) vog | ranXeroX: good nick. vog | Fntc: could be on a link.... but not intentional. vog | GA JacobE | queue: stevekh, moxnix, trapper, shenlong -- | sascman is now known as sighsalot. JacobE | ok steve, you've waited this long :) SteveKH | OK, thanks. And thanks for the conference. I'm not as prolific as Fntc: I only have two questions. SteveKH | 1) Is the STB design fully digital, or is it a digital/analog hybrid? SteveKH | 2) If the AT acquisition goes thorugh, will there be another restructuring of the developer suport? SteveKH | GA vog | 1) I would expect there might be more than one STB.... depending on the application. We would like to see it be extra flexible. But that is all I can say right now. vog | 2) I am not that familiar with the current developer support. I have not heard very much positive so far.... vog | If we can make it better, we certainly will. I would like to see it all go on the net. You cold SteveKH | I'm actually hoping for a restructuring of the developer support. vog | (could) download new libs, devs, docs, etc. Much like other companies that support their developers (eg. Sun) via the net. -- | sighsalot is now known as SASCMan. vog | I really think that the net is the best way to do this kind of support. Having a group of people SteveKH | Yes, I've been looking for a cheap way to get the includes... So far I've been typing them in from the RKMs (very slow going). GA vog | sending out floppies or CDROMs is sort of a waste. Perhaps major archive releases on CDROM a few times a year. vog | GA JacobE | queue: moxnix, trapper, shenlong JacobE | ok, no moxnix :) JacobE | trapper: go for it :) Trapper | hi Carl & aztecC Trapper | I have a two part question.. I'll paste pt1 vog | (Ran: sure thing.... me neither.) Trapper | You have been quoted as saying you want to see a 'Killer' Amiga... true? vog | Trapper: vog | Yes, I have said that. vog | GA Trapper | Will this mean you will see that the job is done thoroughly before Trapper | releasing it on the market? Even if it meant delaying the release. Trapper | Going on what facts you have so far,will the OS be radically changed from Trapper | what we have been used to,or just a quick port to RISC with some added feat Trapper | res? Trapper | (no need for you to repeat what you have already stated,but in a your own words) Trapper | feat res = features Trapper | GA vog | Yes, as always, the job must be done thoroughly before release. But, for the rest of the question, vog | I cannot answer yet. But, it is best to take small, sure steps. Perhaps JacobE | oops, lost trapper there vog | it would make the most sense to make the hop with as few changes as possible, then expand into the new domain. vog | That way, people get both the old system, and a newer system... as a progression. vog | GA JacobE | ok JacobE | last question :) SASCMan | thank you SASCMan | One statement, and two related questions. vog | Ok, just one thing first: I want to let everyone know that this is JacobE | geez, sasc & aztec vog | not the only IRC that we will hold.... there are plans for a more formal IRC with VIScorp in the next couple weeks. At that session I expect to have vog | Bill Buck, Don Gilbreath and others from VIScorp to answer your questions. I have vog | already proposed this to Bill, and he is very open to the idea. I hope we can find a good server in France to work it through, so if you know of something, please tell me via email. SASCMan | Try innernet vog | Again, this has been an informal, unplanned IRC. Much more to follow. vog | GA SASCMan | Okay, my statement vog | Go ahead SASCMan, but don't get too close to Jim (manx) or something bad might happen. SASCMan | I have noticed that VIScorp has been, for the most part, unwilling to refer to the Amiga as anything more than a 'chipset' or 'technology' SASCMan | that makes us shudder... SASCMan | My questions: 1) Is VIScorp going to make set top boxes? or 2) Is VIScorp going to make set top boxes and computers? (please refer to the Amiga as a computer) SASCMan | perhaps to 'upgrade' box owners to full blown Amiga's SASCMan | GA vog | That's just the suits way of talking... buzzwords. Don't read anything into it. As for your questions: vog | Ah, a trick question. This is multiple choice. (2) is the plan. We MUST make both an STB and a Computer to survive. SASCMan | (in hopes of selling them up to computers, I hope) -- | sidey is now known as sidewinde. vog | No, in hopes of expanding the Amiga into 10's of millions of locations worldwide. vog | I should point out to everyone on the channel.... SASCMan | good enuff... I'm somewhat relieved. My thanks. vog | we want 2 things: 1) a high volume of Amigas, posing as STBs and 2) vog | good quality Amiga computers for a range of budgets. SASCMan | CDTV vog | DO NOT READ ANYTHING ELSE INTO OUR WORDS! IF THE DEAL HAPPENS, THIS WILL COME TO PASS. SASCMan | hmmm... vog | SASCMan: CDTV? vog | Ok, here are the emails: firstname.lastname@example.org (me, software) SASCMan | CDTV was Commodore's STB, btw vog | email@example.com (VP engineering) firstname.lastname@example.org (hardware) vog | But, better yet visit our web site: www.vistv.com. AztecC | Carl, any sign of carpal tunnel yet? :) vog | SASCMan: Yes, CDTV was my work also. JacobE | vog: one last thing, a few people want to know if there's anything juicy you can tell us about amiga's upcoming future vog | AztecC.... yes, tired. JacobE | (well, i'm sure more than a few want to know :) vog | No, all I can say, is it is going to be a surprise. :) AztecC | ... you gotta wear shades! SASCMan | a good surprise, I hope JacobE | hehe CTCP | PING reply from Cryzz: 51 seconds vog | Good night, and good morning all. Thanks for the ride. Was a fun first moderated session for me and gives me an idea what JacobE | vog: thanks for the conference, i know all of us here really appreciated it vog | to expect in france in a few weeks. Later, 73s Carl. JacobE | aztecc: you too :) vog | Thanks Jacob for all the help. JacobE | ok, going to unmoderated status vog | nite all. Fntc | Thanks for being here vog! SASCMan | nite Achilles | g'night... sanjiyan | byebye! Fntc | Gnite! YRU | thanks paulaM | thanx vog... i love my amiga :) RanXeroX | nite RMerlin | G'night, and thanks a lot vog! * | Zzzzz cheers! SteveKH | nite RanXeroX | Buh Bye Eetu- | Ungagged at last ! ;) Greebo | thanks vog, g'night. commish | thanks Cowboy | g'nite vog! THANKS! * | JosefGV notes the "73s" and wonders if vog is a ham radio operator :) SASCMan | vog, read my E-Mail's ;) Trapper | Well done lads ;-) Vacu | Se ya. Optic | die Mordo | Thanks Carl & Jim | vog, thanks for the conference & bye! paulaM | thanx :)